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Old April 27 2013, 03:33 AM   #556
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Re: Janeway's Decision to Kill Tuvix

I am dying here..

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Old April 27 2013, 03:36 AM   #557
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Somehow the horror always finds me.
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Old April 27 2013, 03:47 AM   #558
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You need to photoshop a flower in his hair. Tuvix was noticeably missing this in the episode. They specifically said the flower blended itself into him. So.. what shall we call this new fellow?

Garry Kardner?
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Old April 27 2013, 03:53 AM   #559
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I should have changed the "This guy... this Gardner" into something like "I killed them... get used to it."

But I was rushing the job.
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Old April 27 2013, 04:34 AM   #560
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Yeah.. the Queen's insanity reaches a peak during Unimatrix zero... what there's one individual on that cube with hundreds of thousands of people. Activate self destruct!
Or she just doesn't give a crap about using overkill yo solve the problem because drones are anime a dozen in the collective.

I mean we are talking about the group that only cares about salvaging some components from a dead Borg and then lets the rest self destruct.
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Old April 27 2013, 04:52 AM   #561
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Lets just assume, if we don't view the Borg as complete monsters, that those bits are a detachable zipdrive which store a complete copy of the drones personality and experiences, which makes that act just as sympathetic as when Spock dumped his Katra into McCoy.

Was that rape?

Did Spock rape McCoy?
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Old April 27 2013, 05:57 AM   #562
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Well, when McCoy learned what happened, he did call him a green blooded son of a bitch.
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Old April 27 2013, 06:06 AM   #563
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"It's his revenge for losing all those arguments."

Some of the best language in the series of movies.
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Old April 27 2013, 07:28 AM   #564
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I liked the little background tidbit I read about "Day of the Dove", where James Doohan was given the suggestion to say "Keep your Vulcan hands off me!" as if 'Vulcan' was a certain expletive. Adds a new interpretation every time they're mentioned.
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Old April 27 2013, 07:45 AM   #565
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From an engineering perspective, there's probably a lot of resentment that Vulcan's invented everything useful and continue to break new grounds in new fields, leaving nothing for humans to do but be lonely little technicians toiling off on the periphery where Vulcans can't lower themselves to go.

Tuvix has all that Ocampan DNA in him right?

Which means that he has the potential to turn into a Starship flinging ascended being just like Kes in the Gift after having his brain supercharged form conversation with 8472 opening up new telepathic potentials.

1. Kes is a child, who translated the nuances of the conversation with 8472 so poorly that she couldn't tell the difference between friend and foe. Tuvix probably wouldn't have been confused, then easily talked his way into an Aliance with 8472 to destroy the Borg.

2. As a space god who can throw Voyager 10 k light years without any structural damage to the ship, just like Kes... Tuvix, who I might remind you is Captain Tuvix, might have waited around caught a second wind, even if it took him a month, and then kept throwing Voyager across the GALAXY until it hit Earth space.
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Old April 27 2013, 10:47 AM   #566
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I am dying here..

That should come with a health and safety warning...
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Old April 27 2013, 11:06 AM   #567
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I'm not sure if having Ocampan DNA in you is the same as having a liter of nanoprobes in you that might suddenly wake up and hear the call of the mothership.
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Old April 29 2013, 02:03 PM   #568
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There's a lot of comparison to the 7 of 9 situation. In my opinion the same principle applies both times, and that's why the decision is correct both times:
7 of 9 was born Annika Hanssen, a normal, intact human being. She was assimilated against her will and her entire being subsumed and twisted. Seperating her from the Borg collective is merely restoring her to her natural state. What happened to her should never have happened in the first place. Exactly the same goes for Tuvok and Neelix - seperating them out again restores them to their previous natural state, nothing else. In fact it could be argued that letting the "merged" creature continue to exist, that would in effect have ended the life of two distinct individuals. I still don't see how that could even have been considered.
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Old April 29 2013, 03:06 PM   #569
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I think we've moved on to Janeway causing genocide now. Tuvix pales in comparison.
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Old April 29 2013, 07:25 PM   #570
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Exactly the same goes for Tuvok and Neelix - seperating them out again restores them to their previous natural state, nothing else. In fact it could be argued that letting the "merged" creature continue to exist, that would in effect have ended the life of two distinct individuals.
Those lives had already ended. Tuvok and Neelix were dead, and Tuvix was killed in order to create new copies of them.
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