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Old April 28 2013, 10:37 PM   #16
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Re: Let's get back to Roddenberry's trek

Every time I read an opening post like this, it seems designed to draw attention to the poster's own site more than anything else. Sorry, not biting.
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Old April 28 2013, 10:57 PM   #17
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Re: Let's get back to Roddenberry's trek

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Yep, DS9 was less under his control and ignored some Roddenberry dogmas for the better.
If you really look at DS9, though, it too fits with Roddenberry's idea of a future where a diverse group of people come together for a common goal. Roddenberry established TNG with a "conflict mostly from beyond" philosophy, but in a sense, DS9 adopted this too with the Dominion War with Sisko and the gang eventually becoming something of a tight-knit family. With TNG, it was pretty much there from the start but the DS9 crew had to work to get there.
But I don't view it as something totally different, Sisko did let Garak kill a Romulan senator but he said no to S31.
It was a moral dilemma that I think Roddenberry would actually have approved--To commit wrongs to do something right? Do the means justify the end? Sisko said it best that "it's easy to be a saint in paradise," but there was no paradise to be found right then and there.

SISKO: People are dying out there, every day! Entire worlds are struggling for their freedom. And here I am, still worrying about the finer points of morality...
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Old April 28 2013, 11:09 PM   #18
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I am not so sure. Given that he didn't like Meyer he seemed to be very dogmatic about certain things but then again many people who worked with him also claim that he was easy-going. As I know virtually nothing about his biography I cannot speak for the man in the grave.

Not that it matters what he would have thought. What matters are his ideas and not his hypothetical opinions, what matters is that the rough parameters he set up are respected and IMO DS9 did this even in its darkest hours.
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Old April 28 2013, 11:42 PM   #19
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I am not so sure. Given that he didn't like Meyer he seemed to be very dogmatic about certain things but then again many people who worked with him also claim that he was easy-going. As I know virtually nothing about his biography I cannot speak for the man in the grave.
A lot of things have been said about Roddenberry and by Roddenberry that combined ultimately just makes him a regular human being with flaws and personal issues just like the rest of us. A lot of Roddenberry's problems with certain aspects of Trek were a result of disagreements with network/studio execs, in which he sometimes painted them as the villain in various interviews.
Not that it matters what he would have thought. What matters are his ideas and not his hypothetical opinions, what matters is that the rough parameters he set up are respected and IMO DS9 did this even in its darkest hours.
Some people tend to put Roddenberry on a pedestal, others like to knock him off it.

But I do think Roddenberry's true vision of Trek is just an exciting future time in which humanity is united and out there among the stars together--that one day, people won't be judged by their skin color, gender, etc. All the other stuff is kind of window-dressing and I think it's easy to get lost in that.
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Old April 29 2013, 05:24 AM   #20
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Re: Let's get back to Roddenberry's trek

That list should also have:

- Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and a redshirt will be the only ones on a landing party (only three will return)

- Uhura will only say, "Hailing frequencies open, Captain."

- Scotty will say something stereotypically Scottish referring to either Haggis or whisky

- Kirk's shag-of-the-week will be filmed in soft focus when in close ups
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Old April 29 2013, 02:52 PM   #21
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Re: Let's get back to Roddenberry's trek

Bry_Sinclair wrote: View Post
That list should also have:

- Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and a redshirt will be the only ones on a landing party (only three will return)

- Uhura will only say, "Hailing frequencies open, Captain."

- Scotty will say something stereotypically Scottish referring to either Haggis or whisky

- Kirk's shag-of-the-week will be filmed in soft focus when in close ups
Here's my Star Trek (TOS) purity list:

* Kirk is the big risk, big reward leader.
* Spock is the logical dude who offers logical solutions to problems but has a volatile personality just below the surface.
* McCoy is emotion. He offers emotional responses and solutions to challenges the crew faces. He is an MD.
* Scott is the fix-it man. There to overcome the technical challenges of the Enterprise.
* The Enterprise, a kick-ass starship that is the envy of the whole fucking galaxy.

Put it all in a sci-fi, action-adventure blender and serve generously.
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Old April 30 2013, 02:47 AM   #22
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Re: Let's get back to Roddenberry's trek

C.E. Evans wrote: View Post
Some could even say that he may have taken it too far at times...
The last one, mostly.
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Old April 30 2013, 03:34 AM   #23
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God, no.
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Old May 1 2013, 09:30 PM   #24
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God, no.


Are you telling God what and what not to do?
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Old May 2 2013, 04:45 AM   #25
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Someone has to, the bastard has completely screwed up.
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Old May 2 2013, 04:52 AM   #26
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God died in Star Trek V.
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Old May 2 2013, 04:54 AM   #27
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God, no.
To be fair a TOS type show would probably work on TV these days. So 60s Roddenberry trek is still workable.
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Old May 3 2013, 07:45 PM   #28
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^Only as a retro-orientated fan show like Phase II. In today's TV market, straight TOS would sink like a lead zeppelin.
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Old May 16 2013, 01:19 AM   #29
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^Only as a retro-orientated fan show like Phase II. In today's TV market, straight TOS would sink like a lead zeppelin.
Yeah if it was straight TOS. But if its updated like JJ Abrams has done to it, it works.

I mean lets be serious other than updating the cheese out is Abramstrek really that much different that the source material?
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Old May 16 2013, 01:41 AM   #30
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I am not so sure that a retro series wouldn't work. Retro stuff looks great to me and I am not even much of a TOS fan.
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