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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grade "Journey To The Centre Of The TARDIS"
Geronimo! 39 33.05%
Good 46 38.98%
Average 24 20.34%
Not worth salvaging 7 5.93%
This episode should have stayed in the center of the TARDIS 2 1.69%
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Old April 29 2013, 12:13 AM   #151
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Re: 7X10 Journey To The Centre Of The TARDIS(Grading/Discussion)(SPOIL

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I was a little confused as to when the magna-grab remote became the resit button or why, even after being burned, why I would want to attack anyone.
Initially I thought the magna-grab remote was the magna-grab, so I was confused. Once I realized it was the remote (yes, I know the Doctor says this to the Van Baalen brothers while holding the remote, but then he mentions something about the remote being in someone's pocket, so I got confused) it all made sense.

The magna-grab (a device presumably mounted on the salvage ship) is used to cripple ships. It is activated by tapping the top of the magna-grab remote, and deactivated by tapping the top again.

It was the magna-grab device that catastrophically crippled the TARDIS in the first place (because its shield oscillators were down, otherwise it would have no effect), causing the engine to explode, the time rip to happen, the fuel to leak out, and all the other problems in the episode.

By tapping on the magna-grab remote in the end, the Doctor deactivated the magna-grab device, preventing the TARDIS damage from occurring, and causing the reset.

I was fairly forgiving about the scary zombies---after all, there needs to be something to scare the children into running behind the couch. It always confuses me, though, that the camera crew unfocuses the camera whenever filming the creatures (whether the zombies this week or the monsters from Hide). I can understand using a fuzzy lens to film a "creature's-eye view" but why would someone's vision go fuzzy when looking at the creatures?
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Old April 29 2013, 12:16 AM   #152
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It was seeded throughout the episode. It's not a deus ex machina.
That's how you're supposed to do deus ex machinas. Give it some kind of context to make it believable despite it being so sudden, unusually powerful.

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All of the stuff with Clara, the advancement of their relationship, wiped out. The next few episodes could've been so much more potentially interesting with Clara mistrusting the Doctor, and perhaps having her OWN mystery to unravel... But, no. Blank cheerful Clara... again.

She's slowly becoming an uncharacter. She's cute and bubbly enough to keep fanboys interested and in their beds at night, but she's more of a MacGuffin than an actual flesh and blood character with depth, needs, goals, etc.
I don't think that's quite happening. It might not be as intense as without the reset, but she'll meet Vastra&co. next week... oh dear it's set before The Snowmen isn't it? :/
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Old April 29 2013, 12:28 AM   #153
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They started this mystery of who Clara was, going all the way back to the premiere episode of the season, and I hope we get answers before the season is out and everyone is fawning over the 50th anniversary show. If there's only 2 episodes left, we're going to get some rushed stories to wrap up the season successfully.
I think it was always going to wrap up in that manner. Before the season started I thought maybe the Doctor was going to continue to encounter "Claras" and mysteries but that doesn't seem to be the case. Even if she had remembered her talk with the Doctor I don't see how it would've advanced the solving of the mystery, she'd just know he's trying to solve one. Not that it couldn't have added some spice to their interrelationship.


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I was fairly forgiving about the scary zombies---after all, there needs to be something to scare the children into running behind the couch. It always confuses me, though, that the camera crew unfocuses the camera whenever filming the creatures (whether the zombies this week or the monsters from Hide). I can understand using a fuzzy lens to film a "creature's-eye view" but why would someone's vision go fuzzy when looking at the creatures?
At least for me personally, I've found that approach to be pretty effective, the monsters this week and last have seemed more intense than usual.
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Old April 29 2013, 12:45 AM   #154
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I was a little confused as to when the magna-grab remote became the resit button or why, even after being burned, why I would want to attack anyone.
Didn't the Doctor say that being near the Eye of Harmony too long would liquify your cells? Their minds are probably messed up. If you can get your hand melted to your face or get melted together with your brother, it probably isn't good for your brain. At least that's what I got from it.

Also was the one with its hand on its face supposed to be the Doctor? If so, I find it interesting that he was in the Tardis' storage room and later found his way to the library. Maybe he had some memory left.
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Old April 29 2013, 12:58 AM   #155
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Re: 7X10 Journey To The Centre Of The TARDIS(Grading/Discussion)(SPOIL

Sorry to go a bit off-topic, but it's also on the topic of Clara. Wikipedia says about the next episode: "This episode will be seen from Vastra, Jenny and Strax's point of view as they encounter the Doctor on one of their cases."

Does anyone know how much of the main duo will be in the episode? It sounds potentially a doctor-lite.

I'm feeling this mind-wipe we got to experience a bit better what keeps happening to the Doctor. It's feels like a uber-mild version of what happened to Rei in Neon Genesis Evangelion and I think in the new movie again.
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Old April 29 2013, 01:08 AM   #156
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People calling the TARDIS 'Sexy' is the most cringeworthy thing any human can ever do.
Although I think that people here should be able to say what they wish (well, so long as the moderators approve ) I must admit I never understood the reasoning people use for calling the TARDIS "Sexy", or why they enjoy it so. It was basically just a throwaway one-off joke from The Doctor's Wife.

In this episode, the Doctor calls Clara "the salvage of a lifetime". By the same token, we should all refer to Clara as "Salvage Oswald" from now on.
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Old April 29 2013, 02:09 AM   #157
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Hey, SHE started it!
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Old April 29 2013, 02:35 AM   #158
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I still haven't seen "Cold War," but I managed to catch the rerun of "Hide" and "Journey..." last night. Enjoyed them both, but I admit the reset button at the end was super annoying, though the brothers seemed to have some recollection of what happened. Frickin' time rifts.

I am intrigued by Vastra and Company for the next episode. They have, after all, already met Clara before, and they have seen her die. I wonder how that will play out. This season is already mostly over, so this mystery can't play out too much longer.
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Old April 29 2013, 02:50 AM   #159
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by the title of the episode i thought it would be a good and interesting episode,but just like the rest of the episodes they were crap.part 2 of season 7 is turning out to be a dud.
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Old April 29 2013, 02:54 AM   #160
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by the title of the episode i thought it would be a good and interesting episode,but just like the rest of the episodes they were crap.part 2 of season 7 is turning out to be a dud.
I am mostly just finding Clara to be kind of a boring companion. Stuff happens all around her, and I feel like she's just kinda...there. For big crazy mystery girl, she's exceptionally ordinary, which is really odd to me because Future Oswin and Victorian Clara were so much more interesting.
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Old April 29 2013, 04:05 AM   #161
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I don't see how Clara is any less of a character than previous companions.
I get it. You have a crush on her. But, yeah, she is less of a character and becoming more like a plot point.


Personally, I'd say she has more personality and is better acted than Sarah-Jane was in 70s Who, and she's less annoying than Jo Grant. She also doesn't cry all the time and reference Eastenders so she's probably in the top tier of New Who companions, if not my favourite by default.
Meh. That's fine. I think Donna was a great companion. She grew. She was the first of the new Who companions who actually challenged the Doctor on his decisions (Pompeii for example.)

I know you see Rose as a "chav" but, she was a little more interesting that Clara... she had a family, she had a boyfriend, and, yeah, she was in love with the Doctor in a way we hadn't seen before. So, yeah, more interesting than Clara who is traveling with the Doctor because she.... can... I guess...


Still early days now though and time will tell if she'll be up there with Ian, Barbara, Leela, Romana, Ace and Bernice Summerfield as a favourite of mine.
Great! We disagree. Except for Bernice, who I am not familiar with, all of those examples are much better characters than Clara. Maybe not as better acted, but, yeah, I think more interesting.


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She's slowly becoming an uncharacter. She's cute and bubbly enough to keep fanboys interested and in their beds at night, but she's more of a MacGuffin than an actual flesh and blood character with depth, needs, goals, etc.
Please explain to me Susan or Sarah-Jane's needs and goals in the classic series? Did Rose and Martha have any needs beyond the Tenth Doctor's dick?
Well... Susan was traveling with her Grandfather, so... and I know MAYBE this is a stretch, it might have had something to do with traveling with family... taking care of her Grandfather... Hmm.....

Sarah Jane was a reporter. She was someone who was in pursuit of story, of adventure. And what greater adventure than traveling in time and space?

Anyone else you want to quiz me on?

I get it, Clara is as cute as a button. She's perky, she's bright and shiny. And she's played with a lot of charm.

But other than being the "impossible" girl... )which really, HOW is she in impossible? She must not be THAT impossible, the Doctor isn't really working that hard to solve the "problem." He's visited one psychic. Ooooo. And he keeps talking about how she's a problem) I don't think she's all that great.
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Old April 29 2013, 04:45 AM   #162
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Good episode. I enjoyed the Van Baalen brothers and Clara continues to be a delightful character. She and the Doctor had some marvelous scenes.

Regarding the reset, the episode made it clear-and it has been well established in the series- that a rewritten timeline can be remembered.
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Old April 29 2013, 05:22 AM   #163
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I am mostly just finding Clara to be kind of a boring companion. Stuff happens all around her, and I feel like she's just kinda...there. For big crazy mystery girl, she's exceptionally ordinary, which is really odd to me because Future Oswin and Victorian Clara were so much more interesting.
In what way? You've expressed that opinion before but I still don't understand it. For me, Clara has been consistently portrayed as the exact same character in every incarnation. What makes the other versions so much more interesting, in your opinion?
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Old April 29 2013, 05:36 AM   #164
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Her attitude. Her intelligence. Her, I dunno...gumption? This present-day Clara is fine, but the other two version just seemed a little more gung-ho. The current version is just along for the ride, but I don't get a particular sense of excitement from her.

Now, maybe that's the point of this Impossible Girl. The Doctor stole her away to find out what makes her so interesting, but all he has managed to find so far is a normal, boring girl.

Clara is fine. I don't dislike her, but I don't exactly like her either. She's just there...kinda like Martha.

I agree with Professor Zoom. Clara isn't really being developed as a character. She is a plot device, a mystery for the Doctor to solve. Unfortunately, he doesn't really seem to be doing a whole lot to try and solve it.

Now, keep in mind that this early into Season 5, I didn't really like Amy all that much either, and she and Rory eventually became my two favorite companions. I also found that liked the early Amy episodes a lot more the second time around. The same could easily be true of Clara. For some reason Moffat's run of Doctor Who is off-putting to me until I go back and re-watch it. Then I think it's awesome.

It could also be that I liked the other versions of Clara better because she was interacting with more familiar characters. Oswin's interaction with the Doctor and Rory was fun to watch, and I enjoyed her as part of the Victorian Era ensemble with Vastra, Jenny, and Strax. It's possible that I just don't find her all that interesting as the new main character without all those other people around.
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Old April 29 2013, 05:59 AM   #165
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My massive crush on JLC aside, I fell for Clara immediately in Asylum of the Daleks, but liked her Victorian version better. I still like the Victorian version better, but Clara v3.0 has definite potential. Yes, right now she's a plot device; I think we're not being allowed to see it yet because the writers need her to be a plot device for now. That's part of what was so frustrating about the reset for me. They went to an interesting area with her and the Doctor only to rip it away. We'll see if it's picked up again in the finale.

I like her spunk. I like that she doesn't listen and I like her suspicion of the Doctor. And I like his fatherly affection toward her. She's headstrong like Amy yet....different. There's a very natural give-and-take developing with them and I hope that there's enough time to fully develop it. And it will develop once the constraints of this "mystery" storyline are shaken off.
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