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Old April 28 2013, 03:50 PM   #46
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Re: is TOS the only 'true' Star Trek?

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Brothers and sisters, I say to you the truth! And the truth be that only Star Trek that was touched by the divine hand of Gene Roddenberry himself cna be considered True Star Trek! Pure Star Trek! Do not be sawyed by such charlatans as Rick Berman or JJ Abrams with their repsective minions! For they are posers and imposters and they're work only destracts from that of Gene Roddenberry the Great!

Sorry, this thread seemed in need of some Sunday morning preaching.
But what if Roddenberry the Great disavowed himself of The Original Series? What is The Truth of Trek then??

According to Paula Block...

Another thing that makes canon a little confusing. Gene R. himself had a habit of decanonizing things. He didn't like the way the animated series turned out, so he proclaimed that it was not canon. He also didn't like a lot of the movies. So he didn't much consider them canon either. And – okay, I'm really going to scare you with this one – after he got TNG going, he... well... he sort of decided that some of The Original Series wasn't canon either. I had a discussion with him once, where I cited a couple things that were very clearly canon in The Original Series , and he told me he didn't think that way anymore, and that he now thought of TNG as canon wherever there was conflict between the two. He admitted it was revisionist thinking, but so be it.
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Heretic! Brothers and sisters do not pay attention to this heretic and blasphemer against Gene Roddenberry the Great!
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Old April 28 2013, 04:39 PM   #47
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Re: is TOS the only 'true' Star Trek?

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Don't be silly. TOS is near and dear to my heart, and the Trek I grew up on, but even I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to assert that it's the only "true" Trek. The latter series and movies have all contributed to the vast edifice that is Star Trek.

At this point, I kinda want to vaporize the words "true" and "real" from all discussions of Trek, as they're usually just employed as clubs by people who feel their view of what Star Trek "should" be trumps any other approach.
Sorry, but Greg Bear is the only true Greg, so your contributions cannot be relied upon.
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Old April 28 2013, 06:35 PM   #48
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Re: is TOS the only 'true' Star Trek?

I count TOS, TAS, TNG and DS9 as the real core of Star Trek. Voyager and Enterprise can be great too but I consider them more like the Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson Dune sequels in that while I don't hate them as much as a lot do, I tend to ignore them in favour of the better Trek.

The movie franchise is actually the Trek I hold in least esteem as I'm only hugely fond of the first 2. I like the rest but don't really think of them much and the Abrams films are just weird cash-ins and as far away from true Star Trek as you can get.
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Old April 28 2013, 06:38 PM   #49
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Re: is TOS the only 'true' Star Trek?

Trek is Trek is Trek is Trek...
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Old April 28 2013, 06:39 PM   #50
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Trek is Trek is Trek is Trek...
It's called Star Trek.... hellooooooooo.
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Old April 28 2013, 07:31 PM   #51
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the Abrams films are just weird cash-ins and as far away from true Star Trek as you can get.
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Old April 28 2013, 07:43 PM   #52
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I count TOS, TAS, TNG and DS9 as the real core of Star Trek. Voyager and Enterprise can be great too but I consider them more like the Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson Dune sequels in that while I don't hate them as much as a lot do, I tend to ignore them in favour of the better Trek.

The movie franchise is actually the Trek I hold in least esteem as I'm only hugely fond of the first 2. I like the rest but don't really think of them much and the Abrams films are just weird cash-ins and as far away from true Star Trek as you can get.
So...basically Star Trek films?
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Old April 28 2013, 07:46 PM   #53
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TOS to Star Trek XII--all of it is true Trek. There may be some versions you may not like at all, but each new incarnation of Trek is an expansion upon that universe.
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Old April 28 2013, 07:57 PM   #54
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Re: is TOS the only 'true' Star Trek?

I like certain episodes of TNG and ENT, but I grew up watching TOS, and to me that is "true" Trek. For instance, when VOY was on the air, I forced myself to watch it, only to realize that it seemed like an imitation of Trek, not the real thing.
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Old April 28 2013, 09:16 PM   #55
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Not sure what this has to do with anything?
He is saying only the shows Roddenberry personally worked on counts.
Which is odd since he's a huge fan of the Abrams films...
Yep I'm a big fan of good directors and JJ Is one of them and Star Trek is one of my favorite Sci fi shows i grew up with TNG and one of my favorite series is the TOS that's why I love both the new films a homage to the TOS that gene Roddenberry created.....
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Old April 28 2013, 11:20 PM   #56
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Re: is TOS the only 'true' Star Trek?

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TOS to Star Trek XII--all of it is true Trek. There may be some versions you may not like at all, but each new incarnation of Trek is an expansion upon that universe.
This.

All Trek is true Trek. Nothing unreal exists.
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Old April 29 2013, 01:49 AM   #57
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Galaxy Quest.

thread closed.
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TOS to Star Trek XII--all of it is true Trek. There may be some versions you may not like at all, but each new incarnation of Trek is an expansion upon that universe.
No words were ever written [in this thread] which were more true!
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Old April 29 2013, 01:55 AM   #58
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Could you imagine what TOS would've been if Roddenberry would've been able to produce a series based on "The Cage" ????? Amazing!
Pretty they did and it was called Star Trek.
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Old April 29 2013, 02:00 AM   #59
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Sometimes I like to think the film Forbidden Planet is the original Star Trek.
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Old April 29 2013, 02:19 AM   #60
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Sometimes I like to think the film Forbidden Planet is the original Star Trek.
You mean it wasn't?



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