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Old April 26 2013, 12:02 PM   #346
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First I would like to know when S2 is coming out ...
What the season that killed the show! Awful season with only a handful of good episodes. Will probably get S3 and 4 on Blu ray.
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Old April 26 2013, 12:21 PM   #347
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I really don't care that it has some really bad episodes, it has some excellent ones as well. Fact is that if there is a complete fail over in sells for S2 on blu-ray CBS might decide it ain't worth to put money on S3 and S4. So as a fan I will support by buying S2 too, and it ain't a hard choice because I want to own everything that is Star Trek on blu-ray.
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Old April 26 2013, 05:34 PM   #348
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First I would like to know when S2 is coming out ...
What the season that killed the show! Awful season with only a handful of good episodes. Will probably get S3 and 4 on Blu ray.
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I really don't care that it has some really bad episodes, it has some excellent ones as well. Fact is that if there is a complete fail over in sells for S2 on blu-ray CBS might decide it ain't worth to put money on S3 and S4. So as a fan I will support by buying S2 too, and it ain't a hard choice because I want to own everything that is Star Trek on blu-ray.
Honestly, I've just never got the whole Season 2 is so terrible thing. For me, it's pretty much on a par with Season 1.
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Old April 27 2013, 07:01 AM   #349
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I agree Lokai. I too think that it is on par with S1.
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Old April 27 2013, 08:20 AM   #350
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I bought season one a week and a half ago for 75 dollars + tax at Target and today I went to Target again and saw it on sale for just 53 dollars. I hate when that happens.

And for me season 2 is slightly better than season one. Both seasons for whatever reason have a stretch of mediocre or bad episodes in the middle of the season.
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Old April 27 2013, 11:03 PM   #351
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But NTSC due to have its higher framne rate might have less flicker in the image. But PAL runs something like 4% faster than NTSC
Actually it is NTSC that runs faster.
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Old April 28 2013, 12:02 AM   #352
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But NTSC due to have its higher framne rate might have less flicker in the image. But PAL runs something like 4% faster than NTSC
Actually it is NTSC that runs faster.
No, that's not correct. I won't go into a lengthy techy explanation, but do a search on 3:2 pulldown for a detailed breakdown on the NTSC telecine process. PAL definitely runs faster when converted from 24fps material.
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Old April 28 2013, 09:55 AM   #353
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They filmed a full cast reunion yesterday and it will be included on the Season 2 Blu-Ray.

http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/04/ent...filming-today/
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Old April 28 2013, 10:01 AM   #354
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That is news from April the 10th but still exciting news after 2 weeks too
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Old April 30 2013, 02:49 AM   #355
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But NTSC due to have its higher framne rate might have less flicker in the image. But PAL runs something like 4% faster than NTSC
Actually it is NTSC that runs faster.
No, that's not correct. I won't go into a lengthy techy explanation, but do a search on 3:2 pulldown for a detailed breakdown on the NTSC telecine process. PAL definitely runs faster when converted from 24fps material.
Actually it is correct. That 4% comes from incorrect conversions.
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Old April 30 2013, 06:48 AM   #356
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Actually it is NTSC that runs faster.
No, that's not correct. I won't go into a lengthy techy explanation, but do a search on 3:2 pulldown for a detailed breakdown on the NTSC telecine process. PAL definitely runs faster when converted from 24fps material.
Actually it is correct. That 4% comes from incorrect conversions.
Actually, no, no it's not. Umm, PAL is simply sped up by approximately 4% on 24fps material - facilitating playback at 50hz. If that's your definition of an "incorrect conversion" - again, you're wrong, it's quite correct for PAL. But, it seems you're now accepting PAL does run faster, which contracdicts your original assertion.

Regardless, you can easily confirm the facts for yourself by searching for "PAL speed up" or "3:2 pulldown" for NTSC. But, again, you now seem to be acknowledging PAL does run faster - so I don't really understand what point your trying to make here?
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Old April 30 2013, 01:21 PM   #357
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Actually, no, no it's not. Umm, PAL is simply sped up by approximately 4% on 24fps material - facilitating playback at 50hz. If that's your definition of an "incorrect conversion" - again, you're wrong, it's quite correct for PAL. But, it seems you're now accepting PAL does run faster, which contracdicts your original assertion.
PAL (50i) runs faster than film (24 FPS = 24p = 48i).

PAL (50i) runs slower than NTSC (59.97i).

Also, I would argue that something which changes the runtime is incorrect - simply accepted. If it were right, then all of the European Blu-ray releases wouldn't restore films to their original framerate, now would they?
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Old April 30 2013, 04:38 PM   #358
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Actually, no, no it's not. Umm, PAL is simply sped up by approximately 4% on 24fps material - facilitating playback at 50hz. If that's your definition of an "incorrect conversion" - again, you're wrong, it's quite correct for PAL. But, it seems you're now accepting PAL does run faster, which contracdicts your original assertion.
PAL (50i) runs faster than film (24 FPS = 24p = 48i).

PAL (50i) runs slower than NTSC (59.97i).

Also, I would argue that something which changes the runtime is incorrect - simply accepted. If it were right, then all of the European Blu-ray releases wouldn't restore films to their original framerate, now would they?
The effect, as the viewer would see it on screen, is that PAL runs approximately 4% faster on 24fps material, and NTSC runs at pretty much the correct speed. That's what we've been discussing. If not, tomswift2002 was somewhat unclear in his posting IMHO.

OK, fine, by your argument, PAL DVD's are "incorrect" - but so is 24fps converted NTSC material, by virtue of the fact six repeated frames are added in every 24 (or twelve fields if you like). That's not strictly correct, now is it?

Thanks for reminding me about (most) European, and indeed, worldwide, film BD's restoring their original framerates, but I was aware. Actually, (most) film BD's are encoded at 23.976 - not quite the original.
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Old May 2 2013, 02:43 AM   #359
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I bought season one a week and a half ago for 75 dollars + tax at Target and today I went to Target again and saw it on sale for just 53 dollars. I hate when that happens.

And for me season 2 is slightly better than season one. Both seasons for whatever reason have a stretch of mediocre or bad episodes in the middle of the season.
If it was less than 14 days ago, you should be able to get Target to give you the difference back, FYI.
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Old May 5 2013, 08:57 PM   #360
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From Trekcore facebook:
We're hearing reports of ENTERPRISE Season 2 on Blu-ray being released on the week of August 19.
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