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Old March 31 2013, 10:43 PM   #1
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Kruge, and Genesis

I saw a clip from TSFS this morning and something occured to me that I thought I'd share, I'm sure others have noticed it too.

Kruge beams down to Genesis and, at gunpoint, tells everyone except Kirk to move away from the immediate area. Why did the others leave Spock at that point? Kruge was clear, 'everyone except Kirk' was to move away for beam-out. Why go all that way, with all that danger, to leave the person they came for when there was nothing forbidding them moving him?

Arrggghhh!!! Plot devices!!!!!
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Old April 1 2013, 07:29 AM   #2
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The didn't go to the planet for a person, they went for the secret of Genesis. Kruge separated the others so he could beam them up to his ship. And as far as Kruge was concerned, Spock was just some guy near death. Worthless to him. The others couldn't get to him because Kruge would shoot them, or worse, shoot Spock. Meanwhile, Kruge would have it out with Kirk. That way he'd be remembered as the badass dude who got the Genesis secret AND killed Kirk. Kruge thought he had what he wanted with Saavik, after all.
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Old April 1 2013, 08:06 AM   #3
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The didn't go to the planet for a person, they went for the secret of Genesis. Kruge separated the others so he could beam them up to his ship. And as far as Kruge was concerned, Spock was just some guy near death. Worthless to him. The others couldn't get to him because Kruge would shoot them, or worse, shoot Spock. Meanwhile, Kruge would have it out with Kirk. That way he'd be remembered as the badass dude who got the Genesis secret AND killed Kirk. Kruge thought he had what he wanted with Saavik, after all.
I'm talking about the Enterprise crew, as per my post, not Kruge. He told everyone, except Kirk, to move away. My question is, that being the case, why did the Enterprise crew who were told to move away leave Spock on the floor when they could have taken him?

I think you've got the wrong of the stick my friend.
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Old April 1 2013, 08:35 AM   #4
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why did the Enterprise crew who were told to move away leave Spock on the floor when they could have taken him?
It was the crucial day when Leonard Nimoy got to decide if he was done being Spock or not. Had the crew taken Spock off Genesis at that particular point, the character could have been played by Joe W Davis for several more movies!
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Old April 1 2013, 10:03 AM   #5
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Re: Kruge, and Genesis

Yeah, that was never going to happen.
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Old April 1 2013, 02:53 PM   #6
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Maybe they were concerned about moving Spock with all the rapid changes his body had gone through.
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Old April 1 2013, 03:48 PM   #7
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they needed Spock to age a little more to the point where he looked like Leonard Nimoy.
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Old April 11 2013, 03:40 PM   #8
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It was an important plot complication.
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Old April 11 2013, 03:46 PM   #9
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Probably because Krudge would've shot them if they delayed. The guy had already demonstrated that he was pretty trigger happy.
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Old April 11 2013, 05:34 PM   #10
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Probably because Krudge would've shot them if they delayed. The guy had already demonstrated that he was pretty trigger happy.

I think this is the right answer.

I see it like this.

Enterprise crew: "Spock we found you, we traveled far and broke the rules and fought Klingons to find you!"
Kruge beams down: "Get over there or else!"
Enterprise crew: "See ya Spock, gotta go!"



I think a pissed off, trigger happy Klingon trumps all niceties in any circumstances.
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Old April 11 2013, 05:46 PM   #11
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Re: Kruge, and Genesis

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they needed Spock to age a little more to the point where he looked like Leonard Nimoy.
No, because the final transformation happens after the missed opportunity to beam him up with the others.
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Old April 14 2013, 05:45 AM   #12
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They're saying that's the reason they left him behind, Therin.
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Old April 22 2013, 03:06 AM   #13
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They're saying that's the reason they left him behind, Therin.
So was I. The line can be read to mean the opposite, it seems.
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Old April 27 2013, 08:38 PM   #14
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I think Kruge was being a sadist. He knew of Kirk and Spock's close friendship, and wanted to make sure they died--he wanted Kirk to see Spock die a second time--that was my take.
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Old April 29 2013, 10:46 PM   #15
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That is a possibility, but wouldn't it require Kruge knowing who his young Vulcan prisoner was?
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