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Old April 9 2013, 04:58 PM   #31
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Re: In A Mirror, Darkly: Best cold open ever?

I've seen "IaMD", and agree with teacake that it just wasn't interesting. I've got no problem with evil-people drama - ever see HBO's Conspiracy? It's two hours of various top-level Nazis slowly and subtly agreeing on the Final Solution without quite saying so out loud - and it's utterly gripping. "IaMD" is too cartoonish and frenetically plotted to build up any of the dread that such a context cries out for.

That said, I think I tuned in after the teaser, and thus have never seen it. Eh. I agree with those who said that the "Twilight" teaser is the series' best, though "Regeneration" and "Fusion" had pretty strong ones also.
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Old April 9 2013, 07:02 PM   #32
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Is this an actual CD available for purchase somewhere? I did a quick search and couldn't find it:

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Old April 9 2013, 08:21 PM   #33
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Although since I'm not a big fan of the MU, it's one corner of Trek lit I'm not too familiar with.
Well I sure am and I highly recommend Glass Empires to all Trek fans, especially TOS and Ent fans. The Spock story, which picks up just at the end of the original TOS episode is not only one of the best Trek stories I have ever read, it is among the best Sci-Fi stories I'v ever read. Mike Sussman's Ent Mirror sequel is also great.

To anyhone who would like to know what happened to Empress Sato after she approached Earth in the Defiant, or to anyone who wondered what happened to Spock after choking out Kirk in Mirror Mirror, get this book.

BTW, I haven't read the TNG story. I was too blown away by the Ent and TOS stories to muster any enthusiasm.
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Old April 9 2013, 09:58 PM   #34
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It's a wonderful episode just for the sake of being an over the top romp, as it was intended. But I think the Constitution-class Defiant and recreated sets have a lot to do with its success and popularity. The episode is obviously a labor of love from many people, and it must have been depressing when news of series cancellation finally came in the middle of onstage filming. The fourth season dvd set has a featurette on the episode.
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Old April 9 2013, 10:50 PM   #35
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Re: In A Mirror, Darkly: Best cold open ever?

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Although since I'm not a big fan of the MU, it's one corner of Trek lit I'm not too familiar with.
Well I sure am and I highly recommend Glass Empires to all Trek fans, especially TOS and Ent fans. The Spock story, which picks up just at the end of the original TOS episode is not only one of the best Trek stories I have ever read, it is among the best Sci-Fi stories I'v ever read. Mike Sussman's Ent Mirror sequel is also great.

To anyhone who would like to know what happened to Empress Sato after she approached Earth in the Defiant, or to anyone who wondered what happened to Spock after choking out Kirk in Mirror Mirror, get this book.
Thanks for the rec, I have this book but haven't read it yet!
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Old April 12 2013, 02:48 AM   #36
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I like the complexity of "evilness" in IAMD. Archer is batsh*t crazy. Phlox is sadistic. Hoshi is ambitious. T'Pol is militant. Soval is defiant. I like that none of "our" characters were in this universe, because you truly didn't know WHAT they were going to do.
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Old April 14 2013, 11:32 PM   #37
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I have a hard time watching shows or movies with unlikable or unsympathetic characters, but the Enterprise mirror universe episodes didn't bother me that way. I think it's because I never remotely took any of it seriously and it didn't feel like the episodes even wanted me to. They went so blatantly and cartoonishly over the top that it became downright laughable, but in a (mostly) good way. I wouldn't have been looking forward to more of the same if the show had continued, but it worked once.
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Old April 15 2013, 06:25 AM   #38
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I don't get your point. Why shouldn't you care about any of these people?
More importantly, why do you need to care about these people? It's a one-off episode.
Without emotional attachment and investment, it's just a sequence of images. Dull as paint drying.
Not if it's interesting. Emotional attachment to the characters is not the end-all of entertainment. Sometimes just having an interesting scenario and seeing how it plays out is very entertaining.
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Old April 15 2013, 01:30 PM   #39
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There can also be a perverse pleasure in viewing utterly unsympathetic and unpleasant people.. that's why I read some threads here.
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Old April 17 2013, 05:42 AM   #40
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Ever? Like, ever, ever?

Never.
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Old April 21 2013, 10:06 PM   #41
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I really like the way they did the opening for In A Mirror.
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Old April 21 2013, 11:20 PM   #42
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More importantly, why do you need to care about these people? It's a one-off episode.
Without emotional attachment and investment, it's just a sequence of images. Dull as paint drying.
Not if it's interesting. Emotional attachment to the characters is not the end-all of entertainment. Sometimes just having an interesting scenario and seeing how it plays out is very entertaining.
I don't understand this emotional attachment stuff. For me the best character on the show was Shran and I wouldn't wanna have anything to do with this fellow in the real world. Same in the case of DS9's Garak. Brilliant character but nobody you'd trust or care about in the real world.
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Old April 26 2013, 06:25 AM   #43
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i gotta admit this was an interesting two-parter. definitely went outside of the box.
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Old April 27 2013, 08:28 PM   #44
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It was my favorite Enterprise episodes.
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Old April 28 2013, 10:29 AM   #45
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Without emotional attachment and investment, it's just a sequence of images. Dull as paint drying.
Not if it's interesting. Emotional attachment to the characters is not the end-all of entertainment. Sometimes just having an interesting scenario and seeing how it plays out is very entertaining.
I don't understand this emotional attachment stuff. For me the best character on the show was Shran and I wouldn't wanna have anything to do with this fellow in the real world. Same in the case of DS9's Garak. Brilliant character but nobody you'd trust or care about in the real world.
Emotional attachment doesn't mean you'd want anything to do with the characters IRL. It just means you care what happens to them, even if it's negative. I wanted Kai Winn to get her comeuppance in DS9 from her very first appearance. But I didn't care either way about the Mirrorverse NX-01 crew. They were cardboard cutouts.
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