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Old April 27 2013, 04:50 PM   #76
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(Looks back over page) Wow, we've changed topic a few times by now and wandered remarkably far afield from the original topic. Anyone have anything else to say about TAS?
I like the TAS pastiches fine, but I wonder if the audio might be given to new animation attempts? There is so much audio from TOS and TAS one might even cobble together whole episodes (especially featuring new characters) while keeping the voices of the original cast.
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Old April 27 2013, 05:19 PM   #77
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I like the TAS pastiches fine, but I wonder if the audio might be given to new animation attempts? There is so much audio from TOS and TAS one might even cobble together whole episodes (especially featuring new characters) while keeping the voices of the original cast.
People keep suggesting that, and the unspoken assumption there is that the quality of the audio is fundamentally better than the quality of the imagery. I disagree. The music is great, but it's very repetitive. The voice acting by Shatner and Kelley, and to some extent Nimoy, is lackadaisical and lifeless, and sometimes the audio quality for different voices is inconsistent because the actors recorded their lines at different facilities. And the sound effects all come from the limited library that Horta-Mahana Sound had to work with in the 1970s. Sure, the animation has its flaws and limitations, but so does the audio. Replacing the animation with something "better" (however you might choose to define that) would just throw the shortcomings of the soundtrack into sharp relief.

Besides, what are you proposing? Taking dialogue from existing episodes and cutting it together into some kind of Frankensteinian patchwork of a story? There's no way such a thing would produce a coherent, well-structured narrative, and it would sound awful because of the mismatching deliveries and audio qualities.
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Old April 28 2013, 04:39 PM   #78
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I think the best course is new animation, AND new voice/audio work to create new TOS stories.

Surely the right voice talent could be found to evoke the TOS characters we all know and love? For example, imagine Gary Sinise doing the voice of Dr. McCoy.
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Old April 28 2013, 05:10 PM   #79
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^In other words, let TAS remain as it is and create a whole new animated series. Which is the only good suggestion I've heard.
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Old April 28 2013, 05:13 PM   #80
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^In other words, let TAS remain as it is and create a whole new animated series. Which is the only good suggestion I've heard.
Thanks. With the state of animation today, you could literally do anything with a new animated Trek series. This format would be perfect for the "anthology" type series folks are often suggesting over in the Future of Trek forums. You could do a TOS story one week, a DSN story the next, and a totally new setting within the Trek universe the week after that. Why be limited to what Filmation did 40 years ago?
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Old April 28 2013, 07:51 PM   #81
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Good point. If the audio quality is that muddy--one could do a found footage type reconstruction...
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Old April 28 2013, 07:56 PM   #82
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Good point. If the audio quality is that muddy--one could do a found footage type reconstruction...
What?? Why would you want to? What a pointless gimmick.

What I'm saying is that TAS is what it is. It's a creation of a particular time and context and should be accepted in that light. Indeed, for a Saturday morning cartoon from the early '70s, it's a damn sight better than we would've had any right to expect.
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Old April 29 2013, 02:37 AM   #83
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TAS is canon. It was produced, filmed, and aired. And doesn't contradict anything from TOS, IMO. Some of the stories are quite good, for a Saturday morning cartoon. The animation is not good, but the stories make up for it, I think. If you're a fan of TOS or just Trek in general, pick it up. It's worth having in your Trek DVD collection
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Old April 29 2013, 02:38 AM   #84
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Don't remake TAS. Leave it as it is. If you want new animated Trek, I'm all for them making a CGI or trad-animation new show.
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Old April 29 2013, 02:39 AM   #85
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There were actually talks for an animated TNG in the late nineties with Nickelodeon, but Berman backed out as he thought it would 'cheapen the franchise'.
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Old April 29 2013, 03:17 AM   #86
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What I think would've been great would be if Filmation had done a second animated series around 1980-81. By then, the quality of their work had improved considerably -- their animation was still repetitive, but they repeated stock action sequences, some of which were beautifully animated, rather than just still poses. And they'd innovated some pretty sophisticated special-effects techniques like backlit moires, and Ray Ellis & Norm Prescott's music was as rich and gorgeous as it got. And a show at that time would probably have been set after TMP, like the Marvel comic and LA Times comic strip were as well as several of the novels from that time. So we could've had more screen adventures set in the TMP era, and Filmation could've made use of the alien crewmembers glimpsed in that film, like Saurians and Zaranites. It could've been really cool.
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Old April 29 2013, 03:36 AM   #87
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TAS is canon. It was produced, filmed, and aired. And doesn't contradict anything from TOS, IMO. Some of the stories are quite good, for a Saturday morning cartoon. The animation is not good, but the stories make up for it, I think. If you're a fan of TOS or just Trek in general, pick it up. It's worth having in your Trek DVD collection
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What I think would've been great would be if Filmation had done a second animated series around 1980-81. By then, the quality of their work had improved considerably -- their animation was still repetitive, but they repeated stock action sequences, some of which were beautifully animated, rather than just still poses. And they'd innovated some pretty sophisticated special-effects techniques like backlit moires, and Ray Ellis & Norm Prescott's music was as rich and gorgeous as it got. And a show at that time would probably have been set after TMP, like the Marvel comic and LA Times comic strip were as well as several of the novels from that time. So we could've had more screen adventures set in the TMP era, and Filmation could've made use of the alien crewmembers glimpsed in that film, like Saurians and Zaranites. It could've been really cool.
Christopher this is an excellent idea that should have been done.
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And there's no reason it couldn't have happened. Filmation did two different Batman cartoons, one in '67 and one a decade later. And in the late '70s/early '80s they did new animated versions of their live-action characters Isis and Captain Marvel. Not to mention that they revived Fat Albert once or twice after years of reruns, and did Gilligan's Planet as a sequel to The New Adventures of Gilligan.

Around the time in question, Filmation was doing the fantasy series Flash Gordon and Blackstar (sort of a prototype for He-Man) as well as animated versions of The Lone Ranger and Zorro. A new Star Trek could've fit in reasonably well.
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Old April 29 2013, 05:00 AM   #89
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And there's no reason it couldn't have happened. Filmation did two different Batman cartoons, one in '67 and one a decade later. And in the late '70s/early '80s they did new animated versions of their live-action characters Isis and Captain Marvel. Not to mention that they revived Fat Albert once or twice after years of reruns, and did Gilligan's Planet as a sequel to The New Adventures of Gilligan.

Around the time in question, Filmation was doing the fantasy series Flash Gordon and Blackstar (sort of a prototype for He-Man) as well as animated versions of The Lone Ranger and Zorro. A new Star Trek could've fit in reasonably well.
Agree, Filmation missed out on this. It would have been a brilliant TMP era animated series to fill in what happened before WOK.
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Old April 29 2013, 02:45 PM   #90
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And there's no reason it couldn't have happened. Filmation did two different Batman cartoons, one in '67 and one a decade later. And in the late '70s/early '80s they did new animated versions of their live-action characters Isis and Captain Marvel. Not to mention that they revived Fat Albert once or twice after years of reruns, and did Gilligan's Planet as a sequel to The New Adventures of Gilligan.

Around the time in question, Filmation was doing the fantasy series Flash Gordon and Blackstar (sort of a prototype for He-Man) as well as animated versions of The Lone Ranger and Zorro. A new Star Trek could've fit in reasonably well.
Agree, Filmation missed out on this. It would have been a brilliant TMP era animated series to fill in what happened before WOK.
I absolutely agree. TMP era animated Trek would have been a great way to reboot a cartoon series. I don't recall reading anything; I wonder if the this idea had ever been discussed.

I think the time is ripe for a new animated series. As much as I would love to see one of the older series animated, I suspect it would have to be nuTrek to really be successful. That would be the crew to draw in the younger aged audience.
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