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Old April 27 2013, 02:17 PM   #61
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Re: SPOILER - Other Starship Revealed

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"It's big, scary looking and black.
Smaller than an awful lot of other ships in Trek, not terribly much bigger than the Galaxy class which Starfleet could bang out two dozen of in less than 20 years.

It's not remotely "scary" looking, unusual and menacing in it's basic form maybe, but if that "scares" you in any meaningful way, wow.

And it's not black, a dark graphite-ish maybe, similar to carbon steel varients over polished stainless steel. It still has luster, it's not a matt finish.
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Old April 27 2013, 02:24 PM   #62
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But the JJ enterprise is bigger than a galaxy class so the vengeance is as big as a Romulan warbird, possibly bigger !
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Old April 27 2013, 02:33 PM   #63
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Well then the Federation has finally caught up with something the Romulans could do all along.
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Old April 27 2013, 04:04 PM   #64
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Maybe I'm missing something, but there's still one key detail we still don't know: Vengeance's registry number. This is important.
I just figured it has a skull-and-crossbones painted where the registry would normally go.
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Old April 27 2013, 04:19 PM   #65
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For me, the 'science' part of Star Trek has always been about the rationalization of esthetic decisions. That's why I like it better than more 'pure' science fiction. ST does what they think looks cool and tries to explain it as realistically as possible rather than trying to make their very best guess as to what the future would really be like. The trick is making those explanations plausible. If we come away from the movie thinking that the Vengeance looked the way it did because JJ said "Just give me something bigger, much bigger, than the Enterprise. And dark. And scary!" instead of giving some more authority to his designers and technical advisers on how it would most likely look, then I'll be disappointed.

Say what you will about TNG but at least early on, there was a sense that they were thinking hard about these things and trying to be consistent and realistic. At their worst, some of the shows and movies clearly didn't care about established continuity, or even basic physics. That tends to diminish the enjoyment.
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Old April 27 2013, 04:27 PM   #66
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Well the Excelsior was bigger and better than the Enterprise back in 1984 and then in 1987 the Enterprise-D was much bigger and better than the Enterprise and the Excelsior. In 1988 the Romulan Warbird turned up which was much bigger and better than the Enterprise-D. Then in 1989 we come across the Borg Cube which is much much much bigger and far superior to both the Enterprise-D and the Romulan Warbird. So.. we are only seeing what other producers of Trek have done many times before, many years ago
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Old April 27 2013, 04:53 PM   #67
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Shhh. Don't bring facts into the discussion. Just confuses the hell out of everybody.
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Old April 27 2013, 04:57 PM   #68
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Naval ships had to be bigger if they had bigger guns, so they would be more stable when firing those guns.

Now, if a super-phaser has to be large for some reason, then a ship would need to be larger.
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Old April 27 2013, 04:59 PM   #69
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Jeez. Now you're doing it. Stop. Stop I say. Enough with the facts already.
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Old April 27 2013, 07:00 PM   #70
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nothing is traditional in Abrams-verse
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Old April 27 2013, 07:01 PM   #71
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One thing I feel certain about. If the Enterprise is destroyed in this movie, it will not be replaced by the new Dreadnaught/Vengeance. Up close, it's not as graceful of a design that the Enterprise traditionally has been.

*Though I'm sure the Vengeance does have a proper engineering.
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Old April 27 2013, 07:22 PM   #72
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Jeez. Now you're doing it. Stop. Stop I say. Enough with the facts already.
Also, the sky is blue, grass is green and the hills are alive with the sound of music.
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Old April 27 2013, 07:24 PM   #73
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Strict adherence to "Tradition" is what ultimately sank Star Trek before Abrams took over.

Cue Tevye...
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Old April 27 2013, 09:16 PM   #74
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It looks at least Romulan Warbird sized.

I guessed wrong when I thought it Excelsior.

I wonder if this might be Section 31's ship. It has that look. Scans from Narada, infro from Spock's Jellyfish that survived somehow...

A backstory might be that Spock and the Narada weren't the only ships that came through the black hole....
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Old April 27 2013, 10:52 PM   #75
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Yeah, but the lack of subtlety is what gets me with Vengeance. "It's big, scary looking and black because it's the villain's ship." Not even Imperial Star Destroyers were that obvious about their villainous nature.
Well said. All we need know is a moustache twirling villain on the bridge of this ship ...
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