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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.23%
A 161 21.50%
A- 101 13.48%
B+ 83 11.08%
B 59 7.88%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.34%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.34%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
F 37 4.94%
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Old April 27 2013, 03:49 AM   #556
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Cumberbatch would fit into Star Wars well, yeah. Probably as...almost anything. Doesn't he have to be a SW villain, though, since he's a British dude and not named Obi Wan?
Naturally, as he is better. At what, you ask? At everything. In fact, he's so good, he could play all the parts.
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Old April 27 2013, 03:56 AM   #557
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My Name Is Legion wrote: View Post
Cumberbatch would fit into Star Wars well, yeah. Probably as...almost anything. Doesn't he have to be a SW villain, though, since he's a British dude and not named Obi Wan?
would that be typecasting? i mean he's already playing two villians.
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Old April 27 2013, 04:07 AM   #558
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You're making yourself look silly either you have a major reading comprehension problem or you're being intentionally obtuse.
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BREAKING NEWS! I HAVE, HERE, IN MY HANDS, INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF THAT DECK 1 IS TELLING THE TRUTH!!!

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No and no - and you can't successfully parse what was actually posted in such a way as to support your claim. All you can do is keep repeating that what you claim is so, is so until folks get bored.
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If Deck 1 is genuinely interested in pursuing a resolution to his complaint, I'm sure he knows perfectly well that he may do so by following the approved procedure. What he does not require is any further assistance in disrupting this discussion thread.
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Old April 27 2013, 04:11 AM   #559
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And what's so awful about summer popcorn flicks?
I think the problem is that we know the Star Trek concept is capable of so much more. Even if we never get another TV show out of it, the least they could do is make us think in between those lens flares and explosions.
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Old April 27 2013, 04:18 AM   #560
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Well, that would certainly be new territory for a Star Trek movie.
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Old April 27 2013, 04:55 AM   #561
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Well, that would certainly be new territory for a Star Trek movie.
I'm an eternal optimist.
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Old April 27 2013, 05:03 AM   #562
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I am sending my ticket to GMDreia this night. She should have it by next week.

For me, there are several issues with summer popcorn flicks. And, for me, there are more specific issues with the new Star Trek film.

On summer popcorn flicks, I am mentally disabled. I suffer from severe anxiety and severe depression, which are connected to my Asperger's Syndrome, and I have to be careful about what I watch and what I play. I like films where there are actually pauses between action set pieces. For me, films that meet this criteria are Django Unchained and The Hobbit. I was watching Kill Bill, Volume 2, and I am impressed that the ending of the film involved a lengthy discussion between the main characters of the piece. From what I have read, the new Star Trek is a smorgasbord of action set pieces punctuated by brief respites. I don't want to leave a film feeling more anxious than when I entered the film.

I grew up with the original Star Trek. My mother was a fan of the series since she saw the first run of "The Naked Time", and she introduced me to the franchise. I developed impressions of the characters from watching the series and the movies.

For me, Captain James Kirk was an upstanding, honest, principled commander who valued his crew and who respected the chain of command. When he acted to violate the Prime Directive, he had already the discretion by Starfleet to act as he wished. When he did interfere with a society, he took responsibility for his actions and insured that the planet would receive aid from the Federation. He was later remembered by historians for breaking the Prime Directive so that he could save several civilizations. In his relationship with Spock, he came to him for advice and the two often worked in concert with each other. There was trust and respect between the two. To be contrary to this was used by the captain on several occasions to alert Spock to a situation that wasn't right or to fix a situation.

I am being asked by this film to accept prima facie that Captain James Kirk would willingly and deliberately lie about breaking the Prime Directive in a report. I am being asked to accept that Captain James Kirk would contradict his first officer in an official capacity. This isn't the captain I grew up with.

I would imagine my captain to be honest in his reporting, and to accept that the natives saw his ship. I would imagine my captain and his first officer would have reports that didn't contradict each other; their reports would be different in perspective, but not different in what happened. I would imagine my captain to take the necessary steps to right the damage.

This is a step too far for me to take. This will be the first Star Trek film I will not see in theaters.

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Old April 27 2013, 09:57 AM   #563
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This is so funny...

Back in 2009, when STAR TREK premiered I perdiced THIS story exactly for the sequel (Khan being captured like the Joker, terrorising the Federation; Kirk or Spock dying etc.). Everybody was telling me to shut up, how genius JJ Abrams was and that the next film would be nothing like that.
I knew they had no creativity - one does not need to be a professional, but if you take a closer look at Abrams', Orci's and co's filmography, you will see that all they did was ripping off classics and copying the straight from the source material. I knew they were unable to invent something new, fantastic, daring, never-seen-before. They would stick to the formula, never dare anything, never try being different, being against the mainstream, just not to piss off the average Joe.

If you want to think it through (and won't rip me apart in the following responses to this post) - this is just my opinion, and I feel perfectly comfortable with people liking these films, for whatever reason - and please keep in mind that I do not comment on the users here, but on the films themselves:

In 1990 a team of authors sat down for a few weeks and come up with a STAR TREK story that is one of the most essential to date. Few week of filming, a budget of 6 million dollars and the timeless classic "The Best of Both Worlds" was born. An episode/tv movie which stands the test of time (go get the Blu Ray).

In 2009 a team of super paid authors sat down for 4 (!!!!! ) years to write a story most fans came up with in a few seconds after they have seen the first film. They spent 185 million on visual effects, to create a loud, shiny, CGI-overloaded film to hide (once more) the poor plot and ripped off story.

STAR TREK was always much more than just cool effect shots and crazy action scene (granted some were really awesome in the 2009 outing). The best episodes worked completely without effects at all ("Measure of a Man").

Enjoy the film! My hopes for a real STAR TREK film are up again, even if only slightly, since mainstream films and bought reviews (as if AVENGERS ever really was so good) and of course 3D ticket prises will raise the box office income for any shitty film (G.I. Joe anyone? ) and will squeeze a sequel out of any brand until there is no profit to be made anymore.

Now the only fear that remains, is that they recast TOS once more, and that there won't be any progress in the future... maybe one day we will get an AVENGERS style movie out of TREK with the difference that in this film the different Kirks will reunite... to fight the various incarnations of Khan... Oh God...
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Old April 27 2013, 12:26 PM   #564
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Of course they'll recast TOS again, as certainly as the villain of this one would be Khan.
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Old April 27 2013, 12:28 PM   #565
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I must be the only one that thinks the Avengers movie wasn't the greatest thing since sliced bread...
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Old April 27 2013, 12:28 PM   #566
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What is with all the soapboxing around here? I honestly wish I had the spare time to whine about a movie this much.
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Old April 27 2013, 12:46 PM   #567
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It is in the nature of human beings to criticize. I am reading the history of the early Church. There were written books by adherents on either side either supporting or condemning the new religion. These disputes lasted for centuries. These disputes brought forth developments in the formation, direction, and institutional beliefs of the rising Catholic Church.

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The people you mentioned are not afraid of the average Joe. They are afraid to offend those who hold the money bags. I see JJ Abrams as the servant of the corporations. He creates a product that pleases his master, and, incidentally, pleases the hoi polloi.
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I see JJ Abrams as the servant of the corporations.
So were Gene Roddenberry and Harve Bennett and Nick Meyer and Rick Berman. You have to make product that studios are willing to invest money in.
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Old April 27 2013, 01:01 PM   #569
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It's in the nature of human beings to do many things, some so awful that they're felonies. "The nature of human beings" is a poor excuse to give for anything.
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Old April 27 2013, 01:25 PM   #570
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It is in the nature of human beings to criticize. I am reading the history of the early Church. There were written books by adherents on either side either supporting or condemning the new religion. These disputes lasted for centuries. These disputes brought forth developments in the formation, direction, and institutional beliefs of the rising Catholic Church.

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The people you mentioned are not afraid of the average Joe. They are afraid to offend those who hold the money bags. I see JJ Abrams as the servant of the corporations. He creates a product that pleases his master, and, incidentally, pleases the hoi polloi.
Oh no. Can't have that. Can't have filmmakers aim to please the general public. That simply won't do. They don't deserve such attention. Far better for filmmakers to try to please self-appointed arbiters of "taste" who would never sully themselves among the dirty masses.

And by the way (and I can't believe I have to even point this out), Star Trek is NOT a religion. It's not even an "institution" in the sense you are implying. It is entertainment--for the masses. Anyone who thinks it was ever something other than that is, well, wrong.
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