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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 141 19.13%
A 159 21.57%
A- 99 13.43%
B+ 82 11.13%
B 58 7.87%
B- 27 3.66%
C+ 40 5.43%
C 38 5.16%
C- 24 3.26%
D+ 11 1.49%
D 13 1.76%
D- 10 1.36%
F 35 4.75%
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Old April 26 2013, 07:47 PM   #481
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

The spoilers aren't going down very well across the other forums I frequent. I know forums online are not an accurate barometer of all the audience of a movie but over the next few weeks the bad buzz from these spoilers are going to gradually filter around the internet and even those who do not read the spoilers will get that bad buzz. If the reviews end up mixed or bad this movie will not get to $200 million in NA imho. If the reviews are good then theres nothing to worry about. I know there are a handful of positive reviews out there at the moment but there is a long way to go yet before we see what the consensus is amongst the critics.
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Old April 26 2013, 07:51 PM   #482
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The spoilers aren't going down very well across the other forums I frequent. I know forums online are not an accurate barometer of all the audience of a movie but over the next few weeks the bad buzz from these spoilers are going to gradually filter around the internet and even those who do not read the spoilers will get that bad buzz. If the reviews end up mixed or bad this movie will not get to $200 million in NA imho. If the reviews are good then theres nothing to worry about. I know there are a handful of positive reviews out there at the moment but there is a long way to go yet before we see what the consensus is amongst the critics.
Most, if not all, of this bad buzz is from people who haven't even seen the movie yet. Reviews from those who have seen it and who write articles people might actually read, are for the most part positive.
I think it will be fine in the end. We'll see.
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Old April 26 2013, 07:56 PM   #483
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I overlook all sorts of shortcomings that I would not overlook in other films outside Bond and Trek.
Please tell me however that you didn't like On Her Majesty's Secret Service where George Lazenby plays Bond and actually gets married in the film?

Worst Bond film in the history of the series and Lazenby was terrible as James Bond.

Trek like Bond had it's Lazenby moments. Nemesis and Final Frontier were IMO definately those moments.
Actually, that is my favourite Bond film, storywise and only the fact that Lazenby, rather than Connery, is Bond in that film prevents it from being my favourite Bond film period. It is far from being the worst film in the series (I think Moonraker and View to a Kill duke it out for that dubious honour--and You Only Live Twice is a disappointment if I put on my 'critical viewing' cap). On Her Majesty's Secret Service hews more closely to its source novel than most of the other films (if not all) and is definitely in my top five Bond movies of all time. Sorry.
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Old April 26 2013, 08:04 PM   #484
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

On her majesty is the second best Bond film and my personal favorite
Lazenby is by far the second best Bond and could very well have been the greatest had he stayed with the Franchise and had the films not decided to go campy (which they may have not done had he stayed and Diamonds became the revenge flick it was supposed to be)
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Old April 26 2013, 08:06 PM   #485
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I didn't dislike Lazenby as Bond, I just liked Connery better. Just as I like Shatner as Kirk better than Pine but I'm quite happy with Pine as Kirk.

Agreed on Diamonds. I'm a big fan of Tiffany Case, though, so I tend to be forgiving of its shortcomings.
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Old April 26 2013, 08:07 PM   #486
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Count me in as another one who likes OHMSS & Lazenby
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Old April 26 2013, 08:10 PM   #487
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No, you implied piracy in regard of this particular film, and you know it.
It's actually explicitly clear that he did not, and if you'd reread carefully you'd see that. If he "accused" DalekJim of anything it's that he would not tell the truth.

3) Pay to go see the movie in theaters so you can know the details enough to argue about it despite promising you wouldn't go see it and that you would stay away from the discussions.

4) Never admit that you paid to see the movie, and instead proudly insist that you saw a bootleg of the film at a "friend's house" so that you can claim to argue from authority, brag about not paying, and still not feel guilty about stealing because it wasn't you, it was "a friend."
Digging in on this only compounds the silliness of the misunderstanding.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service is a great Bond movie, BTW.
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Old April 26 2013, 08:14 PM   #488
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Crikey I need to watch OHMSS then because all these years I've skipped it!

When it comes to Bond movies though I actually like the Moore ones I must like the cheese & camp and it does not take itself seriously at all. They are fun!
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Old April 26 2013, 08:34 PM   #489
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

SalvorHardin wrote: View Post
Flake wrote: View Post
The spoilers aren't going down very well across the other forums I frequent. I know forums online are not an accurate barometer of all the audience of a movie but over the next few weeks the bad buzz from these spoilers are going to gradually filter around the internet and even those who do not read the spoilers will get that bad buzz. If the reviews end up mixed or bad this movie will not get to $200 million in NA imho. If the reviews are good then theres nothing to worry about. I know there are a handful of positive reviews out there at the moment but there is a long way to go yet before we see what the consensus is amongst the critics.
Most, if not all, of this bad buzz is from people who haven't even seen the movie yet. Reviews from those who have seen it and who write articles people might actually read, are for the most part positive.
I think it will be fine in the end. We'll see.
The following review by Matthew Leyland in "Total Film" just went up on Rotten Tomatoes. It's a rave without gushing and with some minimal criticisms.

The bad buzz some sense going around forums could be a case of nerves fueled by those who see the movie as contrary to the "vision thing" or those jumping to half-formed conclusions based on what we know so far.

Deep breaths, folks. Deep breaths. Still a long way to go.

Here's the review by Matthew Leyland (oh, it's spoiler free, by the way):

http://www.totalfilm.com/reviews/cin...-into-darkness
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Old April 26 2013, 08:42 PM   #490
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Franklin wrote: View Post
SalvorHardin wrote: View Post
Flake wrote: View Post
The spoilers aren't going down very well across the other forums I frequent. I know forums online are not an accurate barometer of all the audience of a movie but over the next few weeks the bad buzz from these spoilers are going to gradually filter around the internet and even those who do not read the spoilers will get that bad buzz. If the reviews end up mixed or bad this movie will not get to $200 million in NA imho. If the reviews are good then theres nothing to worry about. I know there are a handful of positive reviews out there at the moment but there is a long way to go yet before we see what the consensus is amongst the critics.
Most, if not all, of this bad buzz is from people who haven't even seen the movie yet. Reviews from those who have seen it and who write articles people might actually read, are for the most part positive.
I think it will be fine in the end. We'll see.
The following review by Matthew Leyland in "Total Film" just went up on Rotten Tomatoes. It's a rave without gushing and with some minimal criticisms.

The bad buzz some sense going around forums could be a case of nerves fueled by those who see the movie as contrary to the "vision thing" or those jumping to half-formed conclusions based on what we know so far.

Deep breaths, folks. Deep breaths. Still a long way to go.

Here's the review by Matthew Leyland (oh, it's spoiler free, by the way):

http://www.totalfilm.com/reviews/cin...-into-darkness
Don't put too much stock in the critics' reviews. There have been many films they've gushed over, which ordinary movie goers thought were terrible.
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Old April 26 2013, 08:47 PM   #491
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

I have my concerns, but it sounds like it'll be a fun ride if nothing else.
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Old April 26 2013, 08:47 PM   #492
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So what is an intelligent movie? Gimme an example.
All I know is that I'll fall out of my chair if a Star Trek movie is offered as an example...

First Contact is a profound and moving examination of the human condition. It presents us with a deeply affecting philosophical treatise on what it truly means to be very angry at space zombies.

It also thoughtfully and deftly tackles the daring topic of gun control. As Picard and his machine gun begin to mow down everything in the room, I was left thinking-

-oh, who am I kidding?


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Old April 26 2013, 08:48 PM   #493
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ConRefit79 wrote: View Post
Franklin wrote: View Post
SalvorHardin wrote: View Post

Most, if not all, of this bad buzz is from people who haven't even seen the movie yet. Reviews from those who have seen it and who write articles people might actually read, are for the most part positive.
I think it will be fine in the end. We'll see.
The following review by Matthew Leyland in "Total Film" just went up on Rotten Tomatoes. It's a rave without gushing and with some minimal criticisms.

The bad buzz some sense going around forums could be a case of nerves fueled by those who see the movie as contrary to the "vision thing" or those jumping to half-formed conclusions based on what we know so far.

Deep breaths, folks. Deep breaths. Still a long way to go.

Here's the review by Matthew Leyland (oh, it's spoiler free, by the way):

http://www.totalfilm.com/reviews/cin...-into-darkness
Don't put too much stock in the critics' reviews. There have been many films they've gushed over, which ordinary movie goers thought were terrible.

True, but it's definitely better to get good reviews before your big premiere than to get bad ones.
What happens after that remains to be seen.
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Old April 26 2013, 08:53 PM   #494
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Crikey I need to watch OHMSS then because all these years I've skipped it!

When it comes to Bond movies though I actually like the Moore ones I must like the cheese & camp and it does not take itself seriously at all. They are fun!
OHMSS has some spectacular action, fine location work and a great John Barry score but those aspects and the folks back at HQ are about all it has in common with the Moore pictures, so be warned. If you could cut most of the stupidity out of FOR YOUR EYES ONLY, that'd be the only Moore it might even slightly resemble.
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Old April 26 2013, 08:55 PM   #495
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thumbtack wrote: View Post
BillJ wrote: View Post
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So what is an intelligent movie? Gimme an example.
All I know is that I'll fall out of my chair if a Star Trek movie is offered as an example...

First Contact is a profound and moving examination of the human condition. It presents us with a deeply affecting philosophical treatise on what it truly means to be very angry at space zombies.

It also thoughtfully and deftly tackles the daring topic of gun control. As Picard and his machine gun begin to mow down everything in the room, I was left thinking-

-oh, who am I kidding?


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man, don't stop! When I was reading that, i was imagining Seth Rogan saying this to Paul Rudd, and damn it was funny!
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