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Old April 26 2013, 04:13 AM   #1
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Uniforms

Does anyone know if they gave a reason why the uniforms changed in Season 5? Just wondering. It seems like there was no reason for it...
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Old April 26 2013, 04:35 AM   #2
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New uniforms were made for First Contact, so they also got them on DS9.
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Old April 26 2013, 04:37 AM   #3
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Did they ever give a reason for any uniform change?

The real world reason is the series had to change to match the new movie uniforms, but in-universe Starfleet seems to change uniforms every few years without ever mentioning why. The exception being the Wrath of Khan uniforms, which they kept for 70-something years.
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Old April 26 2013, 05:05 AM   #4
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Pretty much stated. They redesigned the uniforms for First Contact and to maintain continuity they had to switch the DS9 crew over. Which was funny since you'd see the extras in the old uniforms for a number of episodes until they had enough made for them. Heck, the Admirals didn't get new uniforms until season 6.

As for Voyager, they kept the old uniforms since they were separated from the Federation. Though by they were aware of the uniform change by Message in a Bottle and definitely by Pathfinder.
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Old April 26 2013, 05:29 AM   #5
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Pretty much stated. They redesigned the uniforms for First Contact and to maintain continuity they had to switch the DS9 crew over. Which was funny since you'd see the extras in the old uniforms for a number of episodes until they had enough made for them. Heck, the Admirals didn't get new uniforms until season 6.
IIRC, there were even extras in TNG uniforms in the finale.
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Old April 26 2013, 06:43 AM   #6
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. . .As for Voyager, they kept the old uniforms since they were separated from the Federation. Though by they were aware of the uniform change by Message in a Bottle and definitely by Pathfinder.
They couldn't afford replicator rations to make new uniforms because they needed to take advantage of the incompatible power source to the holodeck.
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Old April 26 2013, 08:28 AM   #7
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^Perhaps if they hadn't replicated so many shuttles. They might have been able to replicate some new uniforms.
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Old April 26 2013, 09:33 AM   #8
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I'm actually surprised VOY didn't change uniforms without an explanation.

As for DS9, the new uniforms suited them going into the Dominion War. The Starfleet Attire and Uniform Department has to justify its existence somehow
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Old April 26 2013, 09:36 AM   #9
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They fitted a version of The Doctor's mobile emitter into everyone's combadges and they were all "wearing" holographic uniforms.


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Old April 26 2013, 11:51 AM   #10
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I liked the gray uniform. It made Starfleet officers look a little more professional in my opinion, rather than having these bright primary colors that screamed at you on the previous uniforms.
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Old April 26 2013, 12:35 PM   #11
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Because First Contact, that's why.
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Old April 26 2013, 02:08 PM   #12
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Bry_Sinclair wrote: View Post
I'm actually surprised VOY didn't change uniforms without an explanation.

As for DS9, the new uniforms suited them going into the Dominion War. The Starfleet Attire and Uniform Department has to justify its existence somehow
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Pretty much stated. They redesigned the uniforms for First Contact and to maintain continuity they had to switch the DS9 crew over. Which was funny since you'd see the extras in the old uniforms for a number of episodes until they had enough made for them. Heck, the Admirals didn't get new uniforms until season 6.

As for Voyager, they kept the old uniforms since they were separated from the Federation. Though by they were aware of the uniform change by Message in a Bottle and definitely by Pathfinder.
Ah yeah... because of the movie.
I should have put that together.

It made sense they didn't have new uniforms on VOY because for a few years, they had no contact with Starfleet. When they did eventually contact Starfleet, the people back home had the new uniforms, but the VOY crew kept their old ones.

In the movie "Nemesis", Janeway is shown wearing the new uniform.

I think VOY handled it in the correct way. They could not have possibly known about new uniforms. By the time they did know in Pathfinder, Message in a Bottle, etc, who cares? They were out in the middle of nowhere.

And Janeway needs the replicators in tip top shape for her coffee~
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Old April 26 2013, 02:49 PM   #13
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I think VOY handled it in the correct way. They could not have possibly known about new uniforms.
Yet somehow they learned about the new, slimmer hand phasers, long before they made contact with Starfleet...

The exception being the Wrath of Khan uniforms, which they kept for 70-something years.
Pretty much exactly so - 2278 was the earliest confirmed appearance (on the Bozeman crew in "Cause and Effect"), 2348 the last (on Jack Crusher in a holomessage recorded at Wesley's birth in "Family"). Although the uniform did change a bit along the route, and we might say this jacket-plus-pullover style was in use in TOS or Pike's days already - it's just that our heroes only wore the pullovers without the jackets when Starfleet wasn't watching.

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Old April 26 2013, 04:06 PM   #14
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The TOS movie uniforms were my favorite ones. They actually looked the most like uniforms. And I loved their insignia that weren't an obvious rip off from modern militaries.
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Old April 26 2013, 05:11 PM   #15
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I think VOY handled it in the correct way. They could not have possibly known about new uniforms.
Yet somehow they learned about the new, slimmer hand phasers, long before they made contact with Starfleet...

The exception being the Wrath of Khan uniforms, which they kept for 70-something years.
Pretty much exactly so - 2278 was the earliest confirmed appearance (on the Bozeman crew in "Cause and Effect"), 2348 the last (on Jack Crusher in a holomessage recorded at Wesley's birth in "Family"). Although the uniform did change a bit along the route, and we might say this jacket-plus-pullover style was in use in TOS or Pike's days already - it's just that our heroes only wore the pullovers without the jackets when Starfleet wasn't watching.

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I wonder if it might actually have been longer than that. The TWOK uniforms feature a jacket over a sweater that looks like it might be too hot to wear on a planet in summer. Maybe the uniforms in TMP were a hot-weather version of the TWOK uniforms, similar to summer whites and winter blues in modern navies. The colors of the TMP uniforms and TWOK sweaters match up, for the most part.
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