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Old April 26 2013, 06:19 AM   #31
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Re: Who created M'Ress?

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I'd settle for a dedicated episode or two to Caitians in general. We know very little about their race, Caitia, language, ships, technology, society etc
According to a friend who once found the "TAS Writers' Bible" in the donated research archive (ie. the special science fiction collection) at the Paley Library at Philadelphia's Temple University. (It's a non-circulating collection, but anyone with a legitimate excuse can get permission to browse through specific items.) Essentially, it's a TOS bible with an extra page or two added - there was a little hand-drawn map showing the location of Cait in the Lynx constellation, and another section briefly describing Arex and M'Ress.

So when they were generating her character at Filmation, even though no details ever made it to screen, they had some scant ideas. Perhaps they originally thought it might generate a script featuring M'Ress at some point?

I know I often wondered how Bjo Trimble's firs pro edition of the "ST Concordance" included the "Cait" and "Lynx" factoids for M'Ress, but nothing for Arex beyond physical description. The TAS bible resolves that.

Later, Lincoln Enterprises were selling the Arex and M'Ress "biography" sheets, and it's possible those were written by Alan Dean Foster, although no author is credited on them. Other details on M'Ress (parents, siblings, past career highlights) can be found in ADF's expanded scenes of "ST Logs" adaptations, but there are errors re Arex. He describes Arex as having three eyes, in one sequence, and looking over a "feathered shoulder" in another.

My guess is that the chief animators at Filmation created the look of M'Ress and Arex to address show-runner DC Fontana's urging that they come up with visuals that could not have been done easily in live action in the 60s.

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Well there is still the chance that that alien on the Kelvin bridge was a member of Arex's race.
No, the 2009 creators have said no. And he lacks the third arm and leg!
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Old April 26 2013, 06:35 AM   #32
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Re: Who created M'Ress?

Do the Caitians show up in STID, as was rumoured?
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Old April 26 2013, 10:17 AM   #33
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Do the Caitians show up in STID, as was rumoured?
Hahaha. Pine and Quinto did an interview in Australia the other night and said
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Old April 26 2013, 02:30 PM   #34
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Re: Who created M'Ress?

Discussing "Mudd's Passion" has reminded me of something.

About halfway into the story, Mudd tries to flee the ship via shuttlecraft. Chapel corners him and Mudd tries to bribe her with more love crystals. She slaps them from his hand and they scatter upon the deck near a ventilation intake. The crystals crack ane leak their fumes into the vent which distributes the vapors throughout the ship. Ignoring the assumption the air system should filter this stuff, the trace gases start affecting the crew, including the bridge staff which includes Scott and M'Ress.

Why M'Ress? Unlike "The Practical Joker" when M'Ress occupied the station because Uhura was trapped in the rec' deck (a proto holo-deck), there was no real narrative necessity for M'Ress to be there instead of Uhura. Nichelle not available to record her lines? Anything is possible, but since some of the cast recorded their lines "on the road", being "away" should not have been that big a problem.

But consider, this was 1973 and it was Saturday morning programming aimed, in general, at a younger audience. True, primetime had started to make headway in the area of sensitive subjects, this was the era of Norman Lear, but "kid vid" material was (and still is) held to tighter guidelines. Is it possible the "guideline" managers considered the idea of Scotty, a character implied to be of European descent, becoming enamoured with Uhura, a woman of African ancestry, a bit too controversial and recommended another character be substituted?

I'm not claiming this WAS the case; I'm just wondering IF "guidelines" might have been the reason. And, IF this was the reason, there is a certain irony "standards and practices" found it more acceptable for Scotty to cozy up to a "cat" girl rather than a human woman who just happens to have dark skin.

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Old April 26 2013, 02:43 PM   #35
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Why M'Ress? Unlike "The Practical Joker" when M'Ress occupied the station because Uhura was trapped in the rec' deck (a proto holo-deck), there was no real narrative necessity for M'Ress to be there instead of Uhura. Nichelle not available to record her lines?
Nichelle played the voice of the Female Ursinoid miner in the episode.

But M'Ress was established as the alternate communications officer. That Chapel was known to lust after Spock was a reprise of TOS but perhaps it was a simple as the writers not wanting two regulars making eyes at each other (they saved that for ST V!)

Maybe Stephen Kandel was kinky for furries? The script had lines for M'Ress, not Uhura.
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Old April 26 2013, 03:10 PM   #36
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Maybe Kandel (or Fontana or Scheimer or Sutherland) just wanted to showcase the alien characters.
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Old April 26 2013, 03:19 PM   #37
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Maybe Kandel (or Fontana or Scheimer or Sutherland) just wanted to showcase the alien characters.
According to Memory Alpha, Kandel's script had several descriptions of M'Ress' appearance and voice.
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Old April 26 2013, 03:26 PM   #38
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Could well be. That's why I stressed those caveats in my last paragraph. I don't claim to know with any certainty; I'm just pondering.

Oh, good catch, Therin! I forgot Nichelle voiced "Mamma Bear" in that episode. So availability was NOT an issue.

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Old April 26 2013, 04:10 PM   #39
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^Not to mention that the actors just had the scripts mailed to them and recorded their lines wherever was convenient. So availability wouldn't really have been an issue at any point in the series.
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Old April 26 2013, 04:23 PM   #40
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^Not to mention that the actors just had the scripts mailed to them and recorded their lines wherever was convenient. So availability wouldn't really have been an issue at any point in the series.
Except Majel Barrett missed a strip of eps giving birth to Rod.
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Old April 26 2013, 04:32 PM   #41
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Interesting! They would have needed to rewrite M'Ress' lines as though she were speaking native Caitian.

Kirk: "M'Ress, hail the Klingon vessel."

M'Ress: "YEEOOWWWLLLLL!!!!!"

Kirk: "Great...I fear we've just started a war."

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Old April 26 2013, 04:33 PM   #42
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Redfern: thanks for the links and info! Very glad to see that.

Masao: Great artwork! Thanks for sharing that!
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Old April 26 2013, 04:43 PM   #43
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Why does M'ress always get all the attention, though? where's the love for Arex and Edoans?

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Old April 26 2013, 04:46 PM   #44
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^^^
Spiffy action figures there, Therin. wish we could talk Art Asylum into doing a TAS line...

Am I the only one who finds the Lincoln enterprise bios a bit annoyingly cutesy in their saying Cait is in the Lynx constellation, and Edoa is in the Triangulum constellation? I mean, really?
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Old April 26 2013, 04:58 PM   #45
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I loved both M'Ress and Arex.

I remember reading somewhere that Gene tried to get Majel into a pair of ears, tail and fur for TMP. She put her foot down and said no. Shame.
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