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Old April 25 2013, 06:33 PM   #91
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Re: Do we want to know the Doctor's secret?

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It makes no sense for there to be a random button that makes a random bit of ledge disappear. It's a deus ex machina that has no logical place in the story.
It makes emotional sense, it's surprising, funny and deeply satisfactory because it's the tenth Doctor first significant victory. But no, it doesn't make sense in a real-world-logic way, and I can see how that could be annoying if you're interested in that kind of things.

Well, Black Mirror is a show that deconstructs and satirises the media whereas RTD just filled the show with as much celebrity culture as is possible in order to grab ratings. This had the effect of making it date very fast. What was "cool" in 2006, now looks incredibly lame, dated and confused. Your mileage may vary.
It does vary, yes. I can remember quite a few stories where pop culture was satirized in RTD's Doctor Who. Just off the top of my head, the Britney Spears song in The End of the World, a song which, quite obviously no one remembers and no one really listens to and is only played because a bunch of decadent rich people desperately want to feel a connection to old Earth but can't because they can't be bothered to learn anything about it, is, in my opinion, a clever pop culture reference.
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Old April 25 2013, 08:03 PM   #92
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Every show dates - How are the pop culture references any different or worse than Ian dancing around the TARDIS to the Beetles when they tune into Top of the Pops?
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Old April 25 2013, 08:30 PM   #93
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Because almost 50 years later, The Beatles are still relevent, whereas McFly, What Not To Wear and Big Brother won't have the same luck.

I think Doctor Who should always have an anti-ignorance agenda, so I don't like a lot of RTD's indulgences.
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Old April 25 2013, 08:59 PM   #94
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This whole "He's got a secret" nonsense is a byproduct of that stupid Cartmel Masterplan isn't it?
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Old April 25 2013, 09:31 PM   #95
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Well, I think the characterisation of The Doctor in S25 and S26 is the best ever so I wouldn't mind if it was.
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Old April 25 2013, 09:37 PM   #96
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This whole "He's got a secret" nonsense is a byproduct of that stupid Cartmel Masterplan isn't it?
Not really. The First Doctor had many secrets. In the beginning his name (which is still a secret of some kind), his time/place of origin and why he was seemingly exiled from his home were all mysteries. The Cartmel Masterplan was an attempt to re-inject some mystery into the Doctor after much of his origins had been revealed over the first 25 years of the program. There are many who feel that the mysteries surrounding the Doctor is part of his charm as a character & the series has attempted to maintain some mystery. This has been played up in recent years, but its been a part of the series since day one.
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Old April 25 2013, 11:28 PM   #97
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Not really.
You sure? The Cartmel Masterplan is were the "there's a big secret about the Doctor" stuff started.

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The First Doctor had many secrets. In the beginning his name (which is still a secret of some kind), his time/place of origin and why he was seemingly exiled from his home were all mysteries.
One always came off as deeming those details as unimportant rather than being secretive about them. So I see those as omissions rather than secrets.

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The Cartmel Masterplan was an attempt to re-inject some mystery into the Doctor after much of his origins had been revealed over the first 25 years of the program.
I know the reason for it but, it's like an awful fanfic.

I mean honestly, a reincarnation of one of founding members of Time Lord society The Other. Not to mention the looms.
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Old April 26 2013, 02:20 AM   #98
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I know the reason for it but, it's like an awful fanfic.

I mean honestly, a reincarnation of one of founding members of Time Lord society The Other. Not to mention the looms.
In a way, it is an awful fanfic, because that's what the show had become at that point. That's not what we're getting now, though.
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Old April 26 2013, 04:04 AM   #99
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The current show has been in fanfic territory too.
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Complaints about shows being "fanfic" = "But it's not MY fanfic!!"
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Old April 26 2013, 05:14 AM   #101
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Complaints about shows being "fanfic" = "But it's not MY fanfic!!"
Yeah, because anyone who points out a show has turned fanfic-ish is automatically a disgruntled fanfic writer.





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Old April 26 2013, 05:33 AM   #102
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I know the reason for it but, it's like an awful fanfic.

I mean honestly, a reincarnation of one of founding members of Time Lord society The Other. Not to mention the looms.
Yeah, I was never really happy with the resolution of the "masterplan" as seen in the Virgin NAs. I enjoyed the hints dropped in the last couple seasons of the Classic Series that The Doctor had some mysterious connection to the "Dark Times" on Gallifrey and might be "more than just another Time Lord" and even enjoyed quite a lot of the build up in the NAs, but the reveal left me wanting a lot. And I always felt as if the Looms were created solely to make it impossible for Susan to simply be the Doctor's granddaughter as stated in the series. I'm not sure why, but some fans always seemed to have issues with that.
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Old April 26 2013, 07:32 AM   #103
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The long running theory about that is there is an element of fandom that is frightened by the vagina and by association want the Doctor to be as well. The idea that Susan is not his granddaughter only seems to gather steam when the uber-nerds are the only ones running the show (so to speak).
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Old April 26 2013, 07:46 AM   #104
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The current show has been in fanfic territory too.
I don't agree. What I mean when I say that the show used to feel like fanfic is that it was needlessly self-referential to the point of being creatively sterile. I don't think the same can be said of the current show.
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Because almost 50 years later, The Beatles are still relevent, whereas McFly, What Not To Wear and Big Brother won't have the same luck.
Popped ahead via your Tardis to tell us that, did you?
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