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Old April 24 2013, 02:00 PM   #2131
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Almost done with Revenge of the Sith. Way better than the movie. Its a toss up with Darth Plagueius, but I think this could be the the best Star Wars novel I've read to this point in my chronological read threw the EU.
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Old April 24 2013, 02:28 PM   #2132
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Finished up Perry's Planet. Starting Michael Jan Friedman's Legacy. I always like a good Christopher Pike story.
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Old April 24 2013, 04:46 PM   #2133
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Finished up Perry's Planet. Starting Michael Jan Friedman's Legacy. I always like a good Christopher Pike story.
Legacy is a great book. I just finished reading that novel a week ago. I also have read Polaris by Jack McDevitt, Rings of Tautee by Dean Wesley Smith and Children of the storm by Kirsten Beyer.
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Old April 24 2013, 09:42 PM   #2134
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Almost done with Revenge of the Sith. Way better than the movie. Its a toss up with Darth Plagueius, but I think this could be the the best Star Wars novel I've read to this point in my chronological read threw the EU.
Isn't it fantastic? I was totally shocked.
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Old April 25 2013, 01:49 PM   #2135
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Currently reading TOS: The Weight of Worlds, TNG: A Time to Die, and Star Wars: Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina. I recently started reading Star Wars A New Hope, and will continue chronologically from there, all the way up to the upcoming Crucible. I plan to read all the hardcover/paperback star wars books, to enjoy them one last time before they are forever altered by Episode 7.
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Old April 25 2013, 02:44 PM   #2136
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^Why does it have to be the "last" time you enjoy them? I mean, it's all equally unreal whether it's consistent with the movies or not, so why should consistency matter to whether you find it enjoyable to read the story? I mean, did people stop watching or reading 2001: A Space Odyssey after the real year 2001 arrived and contradicted the events of the movie/book? Did libraries throw out all their copies of 1984 once 1984 arrived? Is War of the Worlds impossible to enjoy now that we know there's no civilization on Mars? And those are things that are contradicted by reality. Who cares if one work of fiction is contradicted by another work of fiction? If it was a good story before, it'll still be a good story.
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Old April 25 2013, 05:04 PM   #2137
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^Why does it have to be the "last" time you enjoy them? I mean, it's all equally unreal whether it's consistent with the movies or not, so why should consistency matter to whether you find it enjoyable to read the story? I mean, did people stop watching or reading 2001: A Space Odyssey after the real year 2001 arrived and contradicted the events of the movie/book? Did libraries throw out all their copies of 1984 once 1984 arrived? Is War of the Worlds impossible to enjoy now that we know there's no civilization on Mars? And those are things that are contradicted by reality. Who cares if one work of fiction is contradicted by another work of fiction? If it was a good story before, it'll still be a good story.
oh, don't get me wrong, Chris. I will still always enjoy them. I guess it has more to do with how its been beaten into fans heads that these post-Jedi books were meant to be THE official post-jedi cannon. For instance, even though Federation by Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens no longer meshes with what's on tv/film, I still immensely enjoy the book. I guess i'll just see these post-jedi books in a different light, than how I used to personally view them. Also, I guess I've always had this personal chronology of star wars events wrapped up in my head for the past 20+ plus years.
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Old April 25 2013, 06:13 PM   #2138
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I guess that's the difference -- I never took those claims of Star Wars tie-in canonicity seriously. I mean, there were plenty of inconsistencies between the early novels and comics from the '70s and '80s and the later works under the "Expanded Universe" rubric, so the pretense that they could all be crammed together into a consistent whole always felt disingenuous to me. Even if I had continued to read SW tie-ins in that era (I lost interest about 2/3 of the way through the Thrawn trilogy), I wouldn't have given too much weight to their alleged canon status.
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Old April 25 2013, 06:22 PM   #2139
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I guess it has more to do with how its been beaten into fans heads that these post-Jedi books were meant to be THE official post-jedi cannon.
I totally missed that memo. Any such "understanding" was always contingent on there being no films set after ROTJ, right? It's not like there was always only one answer to the question of whether any such films were coming, even while Lucas was at the helm. And GL was known to change his mind....

By the way, just for my future reference, is this thread for discussing any SF&F we are reading, or only Trek Lit?
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Old April 25 2013, 06:23 PM   #2140
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Also, this was back before TNG, right? Back when David Hartwell was editing the books? I'm not sure how stringent the licensing restrictions were back then . . .
It came out in October '87. I think Hartwell was long gone by then -- that was around the time when Karen Haas or David Stern would've been editing.
Wasn't Haas let go after the Killing Time and Ishmael debacles? So wouldn't it have been Stern?
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Old April 25 2013, 06:29 PM   #2141
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By the way, just for my future reference, is this thread for discussing any SF&F we are reading, or only Trek Lit?
People generally list whatever they're reading, regardless of genre or topic.


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It came out in October '87. I think Hartwell was long gone by then -- that was around the time when Karen Haas or David Stern would've been editing.
Wasn't Haas let go after the Killing Time and Ishmael debacles? So wouldn't it have been Stern?
I figured it was probably Stern, but I don't know much about that period and didn't want to jump to conclusions. I know little about Haas except that her name is mentioned in some acknowledgments pages from the time.
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Old April 26 2013, 12:35 AM   #2142
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Almost done with Revenge of the Sith. Way better than the movie. Its a toss up with Darth Plagueius, but I think this could be the the best Star Wars novel I've read to this point in my chronological read threw the EU.
Isn't it fantastic? I was totally shocked.
I was definitely great. It did seem to follow the movie closer toward the first half, simply filling in blanks between scenes. In the second half it felt like a total rewrite of the fim, dialog and detail wise. It was a superior rewrite in many ways, but I did have the feeling for most of the book that it should have stuck closer to the film and simply expanded upon what wasn't shown and what was going on in the characters minds. When it did that it was totally amazing.

Now on to Republic Commando: Order 66.
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Old April 26 2013, 05:30 AM   #2143
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Currently continuing to read the DS9 books and have started "The Big Game" (DS9 #4) by a pen name for a corporate author (not the Borg). The introduction was good. I also just got Season 7 of DS9 from the city library (Vancouver) as I tend to wish to watch the TV series separately and to assist reading of the books. I do not necessarily buy in to the idea that the films are canon and the books secondary. I was at a thrift store recently and got a copy of "Makers of Modern Strategy: From Machiavelli to Hitler (1943, Princeton University Press, 1971). There was a later edition covering more modern material too.

I know the Star Trek canon (whatever this may be) is not reputed to be true to military strategy and tactics (i.e., is not truly military science fiction) though I guess that Gene Roddenberry did have some military and police training; but, DS9 comes close to having military issues as a major theme. Ideas about military strategy and tactics and Star Trek shall have to simmer in my mind for a while.

It was interesting to know that von Bulow may have suffered from some kind of paranoid disorder. Are some people who suffer psychosis subject to internalizing the various kinds of external conflicts and can this make such people excellent military or conflict theorists?

Were Wittgenstein and Hitler both "compensated psychotics" and would this type of disordering be eliminated in a peaceful future or would it be bred into something different (perhaps a Khan Noonien Singh)?

I liked the episode of DS9 where genetically 'enhanced' individuals were people readers worked with by a medical professional with strategic awareness himself. Would people in the future take risks in order to produce exceptional people readers and knowledge workers at the cost of an occasional very bad person?

Of course, von Bulow and other paranoids from the further past may have suffered from STDs or other infectious diseases. We assume that these would be eliminated in the future.

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Old April 26 2013, 10:26 AM   #2144
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Reading "Pop Goes the Weasel" by James Patterson.
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Old April 26 2013, 11:54 AM   #2145
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Starting Trial by Error by Mark Garland.
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