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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.23%
A 161 21.50%
A- 101 13.48%
B+ 83 11.08%
B 59 7.88%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.34%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.34%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
F 37 4.94%
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Old April 25 2013, 04:01 PM   #346
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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I'm very excited to see how Khan plays out in this very different timeline.
It's clearly not that different though eh! It has exact duplicates of scenarios from the previous timeline - only flipped around a bit!
Clearly they made the decision after seeing how great an actor Cumberbatch was to bring him back.
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Old April 25 2013, 04:02 PM   #347
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I think the blame for the fanwanky spoliers lies squarely with the scriptwriters.
Have you ever tried reducing ST III to a list of spoilers?

* McCoy has voices in his head and goes to the "Star Wars" Bar.

* A Klingon's girlfriend with huge breasts gets obliterated for reading his emails.

* Saavik now has permed hair, Vulcan eyebrows and differently coloured eyes.

* Spock is magically reborn - as a baby.

* Uhura locks a young man in a closet at phaser point.

* Scotty takes a few parts out of a starship and it goes putt, putt, putt, and stops dead in space.

* Young Spock ages in bursts, just like the planet - and will stop aging if only they can get him off the planet before it explodes.

* The scientist son Kirk only just met gets stabbed to death trying to save Saavik.

* The Enterprise explodes and streaks through the sky.

* Kirk changes his voice to get back aboard the Klingon vessel.

* Spock is magically returned to the same age he was when he died.

DarthTom wrote: View Post
Question to someone that saw the film: Is there an over use of Shakespeare quotes in the film? Are there any?

Hoping not?
Not that I recall.

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I'm actually one who thinks that the only problem with Cumberbatch as Khan is that he dominates the film so overwhelmingly that it becomes his showpiece, and not Pine's.
Not in the version I saw.
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Old April 25 2013, 04:07 PM   #348
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Here's what leaked out about ST II (other than Spock's death), swear to gods:

Khan steals a weather-making machine and traps the Enterprise in a cloud.

BTW, "There's this entire community of fanbois over at AICN who despise." is actually a complete sentence.
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Old April 25 2013, 04:09 PM   #349
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Here's what leaked out about ST II (other than Spock's death), swear to gods:

Khan steals a weather-making machine and traps the Enterprise in a cloud.
Yep, that was a quote in "Starlog". It was also reported as "The Uncharted Continent", someone's misremembering of seeing a script subtitled "The Undiscovered Country".

Mind you, the weather machine was in a proposal. Khan was in another. A male Dr "Savik" was in another. And Janet Wallace and son David in yet another. Meyer combined them all.
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Old April 25 2013, 04:11 PM   #350
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Here's what leaked out about ST II (other than Spock's death), swear to gods:

Khan steals a weather-making machine and traps the Enterprise in a cloud.
Isn't trapped in a cloud TMP? Rip-off.
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Old April 25 2013, 04:15 PM   #351
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Strictly speaking, the Genesis device is among other things a weather-making machine...and a nebula is a cloud.
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Old April 25 2013, 04:20 PM   #352
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I've a feeling a lot of these disgruntled fans grew up primarily with TNG.
Even so, there is a lot of 'bad writing,' there too.
In fact, some of the worst writing in the history of TV drama can easily be found in TNG. And in Voyager. And in ENT. Heck, even in DS9.

There's atrocious crap all over the franchise, but the gospel according to Roddenberry SHALL NOT BE QUESTIONED!




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Dude, I said that Damon Lindelof could write his way out of anything, not that he was a good writer.
Even my late great grandmother could have written her way out of anything, blindfolded and on drugs, using Lindelof's way of doing things.

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Strictly speaking, the Genesis device is among other things a weather-making machine...and a nebula is a cloud.
Strictly speaking, this thread is now about Spider-man!

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Old April 25 2013, 04:24 PM   #353
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Well, if the "Magic Blood" plot device rumor is true, then I have some cause to be a bit set aside, but other than that, I'm going. That sounds like something Damon Lindelof would do.
Meh. No different than Spock being reborn on the Genesis planet; or an entire Genesis device creating life out of nothing; or the spores in "This Side of Paradise" providing perfect health; or Nomad bringing Scotty back to life; or the Ba'ku's planet's ability to stop aging.

And of course, there's the amazing red matter.

Genetically enhanced blood having restorative properties is actually a little bit more believable and truer to real science fiction than the stuff mentioned above. Also, and I'll put this part in spoilers just in case,


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Old April 25 2013, 04:26 PM   #354
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Yeah, this is carefully set up rather than being a deus ex machina.

Hey, guys - remember the first shot of the cryogenic chambers that came out months ago through official channels? The ones with the frost on their little windows? What did people think they were other than cryogenic chambers?
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Old April 25 2013, 04:31 PM   #355
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So what's this magic blood called?

Red Matter 2: The Sequel.
Genesis Cola?

Anyway, Hollwood rule #1456. Regardless of a character's ethnicity or geographic origin, a villain will always be British.
To add to the list:

* Protomatter
* Borg Nantites
* Transporter
* Gene/viral resquencing in a can...uh hypospray.
* Two words: Spock's Brain

Trek and plausible medical tech =/= Trek and science. Medicine is "speed of plot" like the science is.
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Old April 25 2013, 04:32 PM   #356
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What did people think they were other than cryogenic chambers?
People said they were coffins.

Others argued that Starfleet coffins don't have windows. Then I reminded them of "The Schizoid Man" episode of TNG, in which Ira Graves is buried in space in a coffin with a little window in it.
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Old April 25 2013, 04:36 PM   #357
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Coffins with frost on the windows.

That dog never did hunt. Khansicles, people. Khansicles. The game was up right there.
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Old April 25 2013, 04:41 PM   #358
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Coffins with frost on the windows.

Schizoid Man by Therin of Andor, on Flickr

Frost, reflections, lens flares...
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Anyway, Hollwood rule #1456. Regardless of a character's ethnicity or geographic origin, a villain will always be British.

And recruited Section 31 Agents shall also only be British.
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