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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.23%
A 161 21.50%
A- 101 13.48%
B+ 83 11.08%
B 59 7.88%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.34%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.34%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
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Old April 25 2013, 03:40 PM   #331
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In an odd way, Khan is a tonic for both Kirks. That does kind of make him Kirk's Joker. Kirk needed Khan both times. Both times he was reborn into the full hero he is (maybe even literally in STID). I kind of like that.
That's an outstanding way to look at it, and if people cannot see that Abrams put a lot of thought and depth into this film they are simply blind to it or more likely just simply don't like Abrams style and will search for anything to complain about.
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Old April 25 2013, 03:41 PM   #332
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Every fanboi I've seen is upset.
Meh. The vast majority of fanbois will line up at the box office shrieking "Take my money! Take it!"

Hell, the vast majority of fans here on TrekBBS are excited about the movie.

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We probably haven't even seen Khan's wrath yet
In the third movie, Khan will kick some awesome ass.
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Old April 25 2013, 03:42 PM   #333
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Most of the people who bitched about the last movie liked it when they ACTUALLY SAW THE DAMNED MOVIE.

True story.

And screw the fanbois.
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Old April 25 2013, 03:44 PM   #334
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My Name Is Legion wrote: View Post
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We probably haven't even seen Khan's wrath yet
In the third movie, Khan will kick some awesome ass.

He will return as the Borg King.
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Old April 25 2013, 03:45 PM   #335
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Here's the thing: Abrams and his gang of writers made this movie for the mass audience, not for us. In doing so, they decided to retell the Khan story.

Every fanboi I've seen is upset. Abrams & Co. don't give a shit that you're upset. They wanted to use Khan and they cast Cumby because he guarantees good gate.

So cut the crap. This is about money and Paramount making a return on their investment in Bad Robot. Enough of the Sheeple will see this film and it will work for them for Paramount to greenlight a third film with Cumby back as the Khanster.
You do realize that all of Star Trek was done to make money, right?

Making some sort of appeal that this film's profit motives are different than in the past is pretty clueless.

As far as the use of Khan goes, it's pretty canny. Abrams and his writing team get to use the most recognized antagonist in the Trek pantheon in their own sandbox. They get the benefit of recognition and the freedom to craft their own story. I'm very excited to see how Khan plays out in this very different timeline.
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Old April 25 2013, 03:46 PM   #336
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Most of the people who bitched about the last movie liked it when they ACTUALLY SAW THE DAMNED MOVIE.

True story.
In fact, DalekJim loved it.

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Loved it, the core 3 were perfectly recast.
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I was really not expecting the film to do this well, brilliant. Trek is back and bigger than ever!
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Old April 25 2013, 03:46 PM   #337
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SalvorHardin wrote: View Post
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We probably haven't even seen Khan's wrath yet
In the third movie, Khan will kick some awesome ass.

He will return as the Borg King.
Burger King tie in.
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Old April 25 2013, 03:48 PM   #338
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Every fanboi I've seen is upset. Abrams & Co. don't give a shit that you're upset.
I'm a fanboi, I've seen it - and I'm not upset.

I was upset by ST V, and disappointed by "Generations" and "Nemesis". And much of "Voyager".

"Star Trek Into Darkness" was the most fun I've had in a cinema since... "Star Trek (2009)".
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Old April 25 2013, 03:48 PM   #339
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Question to someone that saw the film: Is there an over use of Shakespeare quotes in the film? Are there any?

Hoping not?
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Old April 25 2013, 03:49 PM   #340
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In the third movie, Khan will kick some awesome ass.

He will return as the Borg King.
Burger King tie in.
Borger King?
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Old April 25 2013, 03:51 PM   #341
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BTW, the poster over at IMDB who posted the extensive spoilers has this to say about Khan's appearance:

It's never mentioned why he "is white". As I said in another thread, it's just colour-blind casting.

It seems what is important is his physicality, his menace, his lilting, urbane manner, his ability to manipulate, his rage -- in the face of all these attributes his race is unimportant. I presume they lost Del Toro (if they ever had him), at some point they just scored BC, he's cool and current so they went with him.
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Old April 25 2013, 03:52 PM   #342
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OK, for those who saw the movie:



Mind you, I'm still going to see it, multiple times. This won't ruin anything for me.
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Old April 25 2013, 03:54 PM   #343
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Here's the thing: Abrams and his gang of writers made this movie for the mass audience, not for us. In doing so, they decided to retell the Khan story.

Every fanboi I've seen is upset. Abrams & Co. don't give a shit that you're upset. They wanted to use Khan and they cast Cumby because he guarantees good gate.

So cut the crap. This is about money and Paramount making a return on their investment in Bad Robot. Enough of the Sheeple will see this film and it will work for them for Paramount to greenlight a third film with Cumby back as the Khanster.
You do realize that all of Star Trek was done to make money, right?

Making some sort of appeal that this film's profit motives are different than in the past is pretty clueless.

As far as the use of Khan goes, it's pretty canny. Abrams and his writing team get to use the most recognized antagonist in the Trek pantheon in their own sandbox. They get the benefit of recognition and the freedom to craft their own story. I'm very excited to see how Khan plays out in this very different timeline.
We don't actually have a disagreement. There are a bunch of purists who want Trek to be a NonProfit and that's not how it's done. Hell, TWOK itself was done as a moneymaker and it actually turned a decent money for the Summer, 1982, season.

I understand the fanboi complaint about the writing and the holes and the Magic blood. However, the movie will succeed despite all that. And as Legion points out, ALL the boycotters will line up for tickets, coke and popcorn.

I'm actually one who thinks that the only problem with Cumberbatch as Khan is that he dominates the film so overwhelmingly that it becomes his showpiece, and not Pine's.
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Old April 25 2013, 03:58 PM   #344
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I'm very excited to see how Khan plays out in this very different timeline.
It's clearly not that different though eh! It has exact duplicates of scenarios from the previous timeline - only flipped around a bit!
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Every fanboi I've seen is upset. Abrams & Co. don't give a shit that you're upset.
I'm a fanboi, I've seen it - and I'm not upset.

I was upset by ST V, and disappointed by "Generations" and "Nemesis". And much of "Voyager".

"Star Trek Into Darkness" was the most fun I've had in a cinema since... "Star Trek (2009)".
Well, if the "Magic Blood" plot device rumor is true, then I have some cause to be a bit set aside, but other than that, I'm going. That sounds like something Damon Lindelof would do.

There's this entire community of fanbois over at AICN who despise Abrams because of the plot holes in the 2009 film and can't abide what they are hearing about it now. They also remember what Lindelof did with Prometheus, so they are quick to jump on him. The Magic Blood thing is a bit off putting, imho.

But again, a lot of this is third hand fanboi posting from people who haven't seen the movie (like me) going off the rails.
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