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Old April 24 2013, 09:50 AM   #91
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Re: final episode...

Riker sure wasn't animated. And Trip was like a stiff.
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Old April 25 2013, 04:25 AM   #92
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Why did Trip have to die in the final episode?

I just finished watching Star Trek Enterprise, I was just concern why the producers decided to kill off Trip in the final episode from the Season Four?
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Old April 25 2013, 04:39 AM   #93
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Re: Why did Trip have to die in the final episode?

To be shocking.
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Old April 25 2013, 04:43 AM   #94
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Re: Why did Trip have to die in the final episode?

Dramatically speaking, a character dying is a good way of showing that a price has been paid for peace or whatever has has been gained.

A good example of this is Spock in The Wrath of Khan.

A good example of doing this horribly wrong in a way that seems like a senseless afterthought is Trip in These Are the Voyages.
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Old April 25 2013, 04:49 AM   #95
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Re: Why did Trip have to die in the final episode?

From interviews, alledgedly this was an episode that had been on the drawing board prior to them getting notice of cancellation. Rick and Brannon initially thought of presenting the episode as a "look in to the future" episode to show the formation of the Federation and killing Trip. Had ENT continued on for a full 7 seasons Trip would've still been on the show because his death technically wouldn't have happened yet.

It's a rubbish idea for faux drama and it backfired heavily at B&B. If Demons and Terra Prime were the last episodes of ENT truly. Fans and the actors could've left the series on somewhat of a high and with a good taste in their mouths. But no. This "Valentine to the fans" was shoved in as a "homage" to all Star Trek as "a holographic history lesson". Even Berman admits he would never have done the episode had he known the reaction to it.

The episode IMO is lazy, mean spirited and poor.


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Dramatically speaking, a character dying is a good way of showing that a price has been paid for peace or whatever has has been gained.

A good example of this is Spock in The Wrath of Khan.

A good example of doing this horribly wrong in a way that seems like a senseless afterthought is Trip in These Are the Voyages.
Problem with "These are the Voyages" is that what was happening was weak compared to what the ENT crew had faced during their run. The Xindi conflict, the warp core sabotage by the Klingons, the Romulan drone ships to name a few where the stakes were higher than mere highjackers in space. Couldn't Trip just call for a security of Maco team? No, Braga had to get his rocks off killing a main character since he never got to kill 7 of 9 like he wanted to.
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Old April 25 2013, 05:10 AM   #96
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Re: Why did Trip have to die in the final episode?

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Problem with "These are the Voyages" is that what was happening was weak compared to what the ENT crew had faced during their run. The Xindi conflict, the warp core sabotage by the Klingons, the Romulan drone ships to name a few where the stakes were higher than mere highjackers in space. Couldn't Trip just call for a security of Maco team? No, Braga had to get his rocks off killing a main character since he never got to kill 7 of 9 like he wanted to.
He finally got to do that in a recent post-VOY TNG comic book. It had the same kind of tacked-on vibe as Trip's death and totally worth disregarding, IMO.
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Old April 25 2013, 06:35 AM   #97
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Re: Why did Trip have to die in the final episode?

Spoiler in topic title.

What about those watching for the first time?
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Old April 25 2013, 08:33 AM   #98
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Re: Why did Trip have to die in the final episode?

They already had Trip's daughter die in the previous ep so killing him just looks like they really had it in for him.

And yes please don't put spoilers in titles when the briefest perusal of the forum will show you there are people watching it for the first time right now. Hopefully a mod can adjust i8t.
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Old April 25 2013, 08:40 AM   #99
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Yeah... just a lame attempt for dramatic effect. Not even the worst issue with the episode either sadly.
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Old April 25 2013, 09:40 AM   #100
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Re: Why did Trip have to die in the final episode?

I'll repeat the bit about the spoiler in the title. Despite it being 8 years old, I didn't see the episode for the first time until this past January.

Perhaps they thought they had somehow foreshadowed the event, with "Sim" and radiation burned Trip in IAMD.
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Even Berman admits he would never have done the episode had he known the reaction to it.
This shows how out of touch they were with the fanbase at the time, even though Berman was with the franchise nearly 20 years.
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Old April 25 2013, 09:44 AM   #101
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Re: Why did Trip have to die in the final episode?

It was a holoprogram. They might have got it wrong...

Treklit thinks so.
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Old April 25 2013, 09:48 AM   #102
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And why did this deserve a new thread when there's already a thread called Final Episode?
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Old April 25 2013, 09:55 AM   #103
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They already had Trip's daughter die in the previous ep so killing him just looks like they really had it in for him.
Nah, they had it in for T'Pol. She loses her Mom, her baby and her bondmate in the space of a few episodes.
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Old April 25 2013, 10:36 AM   #104
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Even leaving aside all the other stuff which I agree was so bad that it overshadowed Trip's death in the badness stakes what kind of fuckwittery is it to kill a very popular main character and call it a Valentine to the fans?

Hard not to feel trolled.
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Old April 25 2013, 10:52 AM   #105
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Re: Why did Trip have to die in the final episode?

S4 should come with a warning: If you want to end this series on a high note, please avoid "These Are The Voyages". Thank you.
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