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Old April 24 2013, 08:14 PM   #1
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Jake's Cougar Hunt

Did anyone else feel uncomfortable with Jake's relationship with the Dabo girl? I was a little uncomfortable, but my wife was appalled when she watched that episode with me. There were also other moments when the writers hinted at Jake with older women (that woman who forced him to write to drain his energy had sexual imagery). And this was in the early seasons. He was still a minor IIRC?
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Old April 24 2013, 08:20 PM   #2
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Well we don't know the Federation definition of "minor."

He was 20 by the time of WYLB.

I think it was creepy because we still thought of little kid Jake from earlier in the series, but I don't think at the time he met that dabo girl, she was THAT much older.
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Old April 24 2013, 08:23 PM   #3
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Did anyone else feel uncomfortable with Jake's relationship with the Dabo girl? I was a little uncomfortable, but my wife was appalled when she watched that episode with me. There were also other moments when the writers hinted at Jake with older women (that woman who forced him to write to drain his energy had sexual imagery). And this was in the early seasons. He was still a minor IIRC?
Mardah? Yeah she's a subplot for Jake early on. Not sure how far you got, but Sisko isn't happy with it at all when he finds out. Mardah was only four years older than Jake though. Though that number's a lot bigger when you're under eighteen yeah, but it wasn't quite the cradle robbing it seemed at first.

Nice snippet from The Abandoned.

SISKO Quark may call her a dabo girl... but she's twenty years old. She's a woman... and Jake's a sixteen-year- old boy. It has to stop.
O'BRIEN So why'd you invite her over? If you don't mind my asking.

SISKO Curiosity, mostly. I want to see what I'm up against.

O'BRIEN But what if it turns out that you... like her?

SISKO She's a dabo girl and she's dating my son. I don't want to like her. Sisko gives him a look and then EXITS. O'Brien watches him for a moment and tries to put himself in Jake's shoes.

O'BRIEN (to himself) Sixteen years old and dating a dabo girl... (sounds pretty good) ... Godspeed, Jake.


Though this isn't Jake's only pass at an older woman.
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Old April 24 2013, 09:55 PM   #4
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er, sixteen years old is the age of consent in many places, I don't think there's anything "creepy" about a relationship between a 16-year-old and a twenty-year-old, no matter the genders of either of the ages.
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Old April 24 2013, 10:12 PM   #5
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It might have been a case that there weren't that many girls his own age on the station, while there were plenty of girls a few years older as members of the crew or civilian population there.

Personally, I found Jake and Mardah a cute couple and wished they could have continued throughout the series. Jake definitely could have learned some things from her about life...
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Old April 24 2013, 10:20 PM   #6
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er, sixteen years old is the age of consent in many places, I don't think there's anything "creepy" about a relationship between a 16-year-old and a twenty-year-old, no matter the genders of either of the ages.
Right, we don't know exactly what the laws are regarding this matter.

On an amusing note, it could have been "worse." According to Avery Brooks, Mardah was originally supposed to be played by the even-older Chase Masterson. Chase was vetoed strictly because of the combination of the age gap and her attractiveness.

Which would have meant, of course, that Jake would be living the dream of any teenage boy (certainly my dream at the time).
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Old April 24 2013, 10:27 PM   #7
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I remember reading some place that Avery Brooks, who directed the Mardah episode, thought Masterson was too sexy to hook up with the kid, but helped arrange her role as Leeta hoping their chars would get together.
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Old April 24 2013, 10:35 PM   #8
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. . .I think it was creepy because we still thought of little kid Jake from earlier in the series. . .
This is part of the problem I had a few months back, when someone called Naomi Wildman the hottest woman on Voyager and posted pictures of now 24-year-old Scarlett Pomers. Naomi is a litte girl to me.
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Old April 24 2013, 10:36 PM   #9
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Sorry, unless you're talking about the actress who played future Naomi in that one episode... anyone talking about how hot Naomi is sick.
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Old April 24 2013, 10:38 PM   #10
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You know, I thought at one time Ziyal might be a good love interest for Jake (I think she was a bit older than him). Frankly, in later seasons, he needed something to do more often than Garak did.
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Old April 24 2013, 10:44 PM   #11
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Sorry, unless you're talking about the actress who played future Naomi in that one episode... anyone talking about how hot Naomi is sick.
Yeah, that was the exception I allowed, when she was played by Vanessa Branch (?). But even now, Vanessa is old enough to be my daughter, and Scarlett my grand-daughter, so I can't let myself think of them that way.

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Damn my eyes! I first misread that as "someone to do".
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Old April 24 2013, 11:41 PM   #12
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Jake/Ziyal would have been GREAT. Also I would have liked Jake/Ezri.
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Old April 25 2013, 12:00 AM   #13
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I'm really surprised Jake and Ziyal never interacted at all. Regardless if they got together or not. Just the relationship between their fathers alone would be enough to get them to strike up an interesting conversation.

Jake and Ezri? There was a scene between the two of them in her first full episode in the runabout where they looked like there could be some sparks there. But Jake was widely absent from season 7 so nothing came from that.
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Old April 25 2013, 12:20 AM   #14
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Re: Jake's Cougar Hunt

At first I thought this thread was titled "Janeway's Cougar Hunt" and I got super excited.

Anyway.. the only appeal of Jake for the dabo woman is that he is the station commander's son. There is no way she would be looking at him if he was just some teenager whose dad was cleaning conduits or something. This is what makes it a bit unbalanced and I'm pretty sure Sisko knew that. Sure he's a nice kid and she enjoyed talking to him but it's not like there weren't other adult men around.
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Old April 25 2013, 02:59 AM   #15
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I remember reading some place that Avery Brooks, who directed the Mardah episode, thought Masterson was too sexy to hook up with the kid, but helped arrange her role as Leeta hoping their chars would get together.
I think that would have worked with them being an odd couple (although perhaps not as odd as Leeta and Rom though). I could see it being a situation in which Leeta pursues Sisko but he's not interested in her at all initially because he's a Starfleet command-rank officer and she's a Dabo girl. She'd have to wear him down and win him over perhaps.
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