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Old June 7 2009, 05:24 PM   #31
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Re: Sondra Marshak and Myrna Culbreath

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I have the two Phoenix books, two of the New Voyages anthologies and Star Trek Lives! sitting on my shelf.

I've not actually read any of them, and this thread is not exactly threatening to change that.
There's some good stuff in the New Voyages anthologies. Star Trek Lives has some interesting stuff as well, particularly the two chapters by Joan Winston and the chapter on fanfic.
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Old April 24 2013, 06:03 PM   #32
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First, I didn't know I could resurrect a thread this old. Second, I just started reading Star Trek Lives. I do find it interesting considering when it was written, and what has happened to Trek since the 1970s. I read Prometheus Design, and hated it, but so far, this is much better. Perhaps the influence of the other two authors is really helping.
The impression I got is ROddenberry really liked Myrna Culbreath, so maybe that's part of the reason why she had Trek books published in the past, but not recently?
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Old April 24 2013, 07:27 PM   #33
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i'm glad this thread was resurrected, as this is something I've wondered about too.

I liked "prometheus design" and "triangle," but the phoenix novels not so much. Maybe Pocket books made them take it down a notch more than Bantam did.
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Old April 24 2013, 11:01 PM   #34
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I remember reading "Price" about 7 years ago, but I had a hard time telling head from tail with that story. And I remember that I did read both "New Voyages" and I really enjoyed the "Procrustean Pretard", but I don't remember either of Marshak/Culbreath' short-stories.
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Old April 25 2013, 05:35 AM   #35
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The impression I got is ROddenberry really liked Myrna Culbreath, so maybe that's part of the reason why she had Trek books published in the past, but not recently?
Myrna Culbreath is 74 years old now. She and Sondra Marshak published educational games based on phonics after their stint with Star Trek fandom.

Joan Winston, who wrote the chapters of visiting the TOS set in "Star Trek Lives!", passed away a few years ago.

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I liked "prometheus design" and "triangle," but the phoenix novels not so much. Maybe Pocket books made them take it down a notch more than Bantam did.
It's my understanding that blackmarket K/S "bonus chapters" for all four of their ST novels were available in the "slash" fanfic circles.
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Old April 25 2013, 02:46 PM   #36
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As weird as this sounds, I've wanted to read a third Phoenix novel for years. I'd love to see Picard throw down with Omne.

And, even weirder, I keep getting an Omne vibe from Benedict Cumberbatch in the Star Trek Into Darkness trailers.
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Old April 25 2013, 04:13 PM   #37
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Will Ben Cumberbatch be able to beat the jungle out of Chris Pine?
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Old April 25 2013, 04:37 PM   #38
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Will Ben Cumberbatch be able to beat the jungle out of Chris Pine?
Only if he can do it while running down a corridor with a Chris Pine under each arm. Pursued by Spock. And the Female Romulan Commander.
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Old April 25 2013, 04:45 PM   #39
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Those books were bizarre. Even by 70's fanfic standards.
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Old April 25 2013, 07:24 PM   #40
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I've re-read all 4 Marshak and Culbreath novels within the past 12 months after originally reading them in the 1980s - there were some interesting basic ideas in them, but man were they buried under a mountain of bad writing. I personally just loathe the K/S stuff to begin with, and there were just pages after pages after pages of boring conversations that were just mind-numbing to read. Plus, Omne was such a ridiculously cartoonish overpowered villain - I kept expecting to find that he needed to consume the life energies of various planets for sustenance. There has only been one Treklit novel that I just couldn't make myself finish (Pawns and Symbols), but those books came close.

I do maintain, though, that there were the kernels of good stories in their basic concept - A better writer could probably do quite a bit with them.
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Old April 25 2013, 09:05 PM   #41
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I've re-read all 4 Marshak and Culbreath novels within the past 12 months after originally reading them in the 1980s - there were some interesting basic ideas in them, but man were they buried under a mountain of bad writing. I personally just loathe the K/S stuff to begin with, and there were just pages after pages after pages of boring conversations that were just mind-numbing to read. Plus, Omne was such a ridiculously cartoonish overpowered villain - I kept expecting to find that he needed to consume the life energies of various planets for sustenance. There has only been one Treklit novel that I just couldn't make myself finish (Pawns and Symbols), but those books came close.

I do maintain, though, that there were the kernels of good stories in their basic concept - A better writer could probably do quite a bit with them.

Hey! I didn't care for "pawns and symbols" either. High five
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Old April 25 2013, 10:11 PM   #42
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I read the phoenix novels years ago .A friend warned me they were badly written Startrek books they weren't kidding I didn't like them at all. I got rid of them as soon as I finished reading both books.To a used book store.I never wanted to read these books ever again once was more than enough for me.
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Old April 25 2013, 11:15 PM   #43
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Thought most of their stuff was a convoluted mess.
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Old April 25 2013, 11:22 PM   #44
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Thought most of their stuff was an convoluted mess.
At best.
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Old April 26 2013, 12:03 AM   #45
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The Phoenix novels worked for me when I read them around 1986, as a new take on Trek (like the first couple of Diane Carey novels). Triangle and Prometheus Design were major league chores to get through, but back then written Trek/Who/whatever was so rare you didn't give up on what was out there however awful.
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