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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 141 19.13%
A 159 21.57%
A- 99 13.43%
B+ 82 11.13%
B 58 7.87%
B- 27 3.66%
C+ 40 5.43%
C 38 5.16%
C- 24 3.26%
D+ 11 1.49%
D 13 1.76%
D- 10 1.36%
F 35 4.75%
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Old April 24 2013, 06:42 PM   #211
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Shon T'Hara wrote: View Post
Khan in Space Seed was presented as an Indian even if the producers didn't bother to cast an Indian actor
In one episode, they didn't say crap about his ethnicity in the moviethe majority of people are more familiar with.
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Old April 24 2013, 06:51 PM   #212
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Why does this matter to anyone?
Because some people depend on the illusion that ST universe is real.
Here's the way I look at it (and I'm not a fan of recasting, AT ALL). This is Star Trek. Actors are reused and replaced all the time. We're expected to believe that John Frederick Paxton and Admiral Marcus are two different people, even though they're both Peter Weller. We're expected to believe that Nick Locarno and Tom Paris are two different people, even though they're both played by Robert Duncan McNeill. We're expected to believe Admiral Forrest and Alpha Hirogen are different, even though they're both played by Vaughn Armstrong.

On the other hand, we're also to believe that Saavik looks like both Kirstie Alley and Robin Curtis, Captain James T. Kirk looks like both William Shatner and Chris Pine, and that Zefram Cochrane looks like both Glenn Corbett and James Cromwell. The point is, as long as one character (in this case, Spock Prime) recognizes John Harrison as being Khan Noonien Singh, even though Benedict Cumberbatch looks nothing like Ricardo Montalban, shouldn't we just accept it? Because, if there's anybody in the Alpha Quadrant who is most qualified to recognize Khan, it's Spock Prime. After all, he was killed by Khan (technically, radiation poisoning, but you know what I mean).

To me, Ricardo Montalban WAS Khan, just like William Shatner was Captain Kirk. Now, to me, (at least based on trailers) Benedict Cumberbatch is Khan, just as Chris Pine is now Captain Kirk. I'm a big fan of Benedict's, and I can't wait to see what he does with the role. Trust me, they could have done A LOT WORSE. Just imagine:

Shia LaBeouf IS John Harrison

Channing Tatum IS John Harrison

Matthew McConaughey IS John Harrison

But, tonight, I'll sleep more soundly knowing that the role of Khan is in good hands

Edit to add: One more. Kal Penn IS John Harrison
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Old April 24 2013, 06:51 PM   #213
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Shon T'Hara wrote: View Post
Khan in Space Seed was presented as an Indian even if the producers didn't bother to cast an Indian actor
In one episode, they didn't say crap about his ethnicity in the moviethe majority of people are more familiar with.
It's amazing that they said anything about it even once. Saying something twice would be ridiculous. "Oh hey, you're that Indian guy!"
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Old April 24 2013, 06:51 PM   #214
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Charlie Chan was played by white guys but that doesn't mean Hollywood should make a modern Charlie Chan movie and cast Cumberbatch in the role.
Chan was stated on many occasions to be Chinese.

Khan's actual background was never stated. There is one line of dialogue - using words like "probably" - in which McGivers speculates on his ethnicity. That's it. As far as racebending goes, this one's a non-starter, sorry.
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Old April 24 2013, 06:59 PM   #215
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It's amazing that they said anything about it even once. Saying something twice would be ridiculous. "Oh hey, you're that Indian guy!"
Just curious. But were people this upset when Patrick Stewart was cast as a French Captain with a very distinct English accent?
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Old April 24 2013, 07:01 PM   #216
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Khan's actual background was never stated. There is one line of dialogue - using words like "probably" - in which McGivers speculates on his ethnicity. That's it.
You know what's funny about that line? She makes that speculation based on his looks and his dress. She does not know he is Khan at that point. I don't think anyone would ever look at Cumberbatch and say, "Oh yeah, that dude looks like a Sikh warrior from India."

So yeah, we know everything was supposed to based on his looks.
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Old April 24 2013, 07:04 PM   #217
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Most importantly, does this Khan wear Corinthean leather?
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Old April 24 2013, 07:08 PM   #218
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It's amazing that they said anything about it even once. Saying something twice would be ridiculous. "Oh hey, you're that Indian guy!"
Just curious. But were people this upset when Patrick Stewart was cast as a French Captain with a very distinct English accent?
I personally don't know. The accents don't bug me, as accents are a lot more fluid and can be picked up. I don't have any problem with Marcus having spent more time in England or same with Khan. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Khan spent lots of time in England in the past. It's quite possible that in the future English accents spread more into France? That doesn't really bug me at all.
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Old April 24 2013, 07:08 PM   #219
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

If this was a complete reboot them a white Khan would be fine, however it is not.
So time travelling Romulans turned a three hundred year old Indian into a Northern European?
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Old April 24 2013, 07:11 PM   #220
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If this was a complete reboot them a white Khan would be fine, however it is not.
So time travelling Romulans turned a three hundred year old Indian into a Northern European?
Sure, the same way they turned Jim Kirk's eyes blue at the moment of his birth and caused everyone else in the universe to look different as well.

Khan looking different is absolutely fine for the same reason everyone else looking different is.

It's all the way it is, not the way some folks would have it be, and it's fine.
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Old April 24 2013, 07:25 PM   #221
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Just call it a freaking retcon and get over it. A product (implausibly) of "selective breeding" in Space Seed becomes a product of "genetic engineering" in TWOK. When an entertainment franchise spans decades, there are going to be little changes like this.
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Old April 24 2013, 07:28 PM   #222
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Old April 24 2013, 07:35 PM   #223
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Turd Ferguson wrote: View Post
Trust me, they could have done A LOT WORSE. Just imagine:

Shia LaBeouf IS John Harrison

Channing Tatum IS John Harrison

Matthew McConaughey IS John Harrison

But, tonight, I'll sleep more soundly knowing that the role of Khan is in good hands

Edit to add: One more. Kal Penn IS John Harrison
Matthew Lillard IS John Harrison.
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Old April 24 2013, 07:38 PM   #224
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Xaios wrote: View Post
Turd Ferguson wrote: View Post
Trust me, they could have done A LOT WORSE. Just imagine:

Shia LaBeouf IS John Harrison

Channing Tatum IS John Harrison

Matthew McConaughey IS John Harrison

But, tonight, I'll sleep more soundly knowing that the role of Khan is in good hands

Edit to add: One more. Kal Penn IS John Harrison
Matthew Lillard IS John Harrison.
Keanu Reeves IS John Harrison, dude!
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Old April 24 2013, 07:42 PM   #225
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

KirkusOveractus wrote: View Post
Xaios wrote: View Post
Turd Ferguson wrote: View Post
Trust me, they could have done A LOT WORSE. Just imagine:

Shia LaBeouf IS John Harrison

Channing Tatum IS John Harrison

Matthew McConaughey IS John Harrison

But, tonight, I'll sleep more soundly knowing that the role of Khan is in good hands

Edit to add: One more. Kal Penn IS John Harrison
Matthew Lillard IS John Harrison.
Keanu Reeves IS John Harrison, dude!
Ricardo Montalban IS John Harrison in Star Trek Weekend at Johnnie's.
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