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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.20%
A 161 21.47%
A- 101 13.47%
B+ 83 11.07%
B 59 7.87%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.33%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.33%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.73%
D- 10 1.33%
F 38 5.07%
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Old April 24 2013, 04:54 PM   #196
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And he also aptly pointed out that at least in TOS they went so far as to apply bronze makeup to Montalban.
Perhaps by 1982 that was perceived as a little too much like doing blackface? Or maybe not; it was a year or two later that Cameron was painting Jenette Goldstein into "Vasquez."
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Old April 24 2013, 04:58 PM   #197
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I don't know, it didn't really look good in the 60s at least. Is there a story for why they didn't do it for TWOK?

I thought Goldstein's was done very well and that she played the part very well. Was there a hubbub over that?
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Old April 24 2013, 05:03 PM   #198
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· Uhura can speak Klingon fluently when she can't in ST6 (I know, new timeline, whatevs).
NOMAD.


Art Vandelay wrote: View Post
Nowadays, we have Spock proclaiming that supernovas can destroy whole galaxies. We have transporters that only require a quick firmware update to achieve limitless range. And no idea of what rank means, either. Kirk is insubordinate, commandeers the ship, gets to be captain on a technicality? Bah - he destroyed that evil Romulan, so let's have this heroic Cadet skip the ranks of Ensign, Lieutenant j.g., Lieutenant, Lieutenant Commander and Commander altogether and make him Captain. And while we're at it, let's not give him some science vessel, let him have the flagship of the Federation. That's not Trek, that's "Marvel's Kirk & Spock".
This reminds me of my reaction to the premier of TNG. We had the android, the empath, the über genius and the guy with amazing visual abilities. I thought, "That's not Star Trek, that's the X-Men." I had no idea that the captain was Professor X himself!


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Where has JJ said that as long as he's doing Trek, no one else will?
Nowhere, as far as I remember.
Unless one counts LeVar Burton, who allegedly has been hearing such things from Abrams' camp.
It sounds like somebody's polite excuse for rejecting a lousy pitch.
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Old April 24 2013, 05:05 PM   #199
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Montalban wasn't very "brown". Nor Indian.

Persis Khambatta was from India. And not "brown".
As sttngfan1701d said though, there's a difference between the olive color and pasty white. And he also aptly pointed out that at least in TOS they went so far as to apply bronze makeup to Montalban. Why did they go to that effort? It's because they were going for the traditional Sikh ruler look, which is typically a darker skin tone, definitely not pasty, not white, perhaps not olive, but at least bronze.

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Requiring Khan to be a brown skinned man with a certain accent just because he's from a certain part of the world is just a little bit ... what's the word I'm looking for here? ... oh, yeah. Racist.
I'm afraid you don't at all know what racism is. You should perhaps try and look it up. While you're educating yourself, maybe take a look at prominent political positions of India and those of Sikhs, and then come back to me and laughingly assert that such a person should be pasty white.
I don't have to look it up because I already know what it means. I also know that it's thrown around way too often, even here on the BBS. Illustrating absurdity by being absurd is a time honored tradition where I come from.

I also said in another post that I'm amused by the supposedly enlightened Trek fans who get all twisted out of shape when things aren't exactly 'the way they're supposed to be'.

But hey, it's always fun being talked down to. Thanks for playing, and here's your lovely parting gift.
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Old April 24 2013, 05:12 PM   #200
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More like a farting gift.
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Old April 24 2013, 05:14 PM   #201
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Let's just hope he doesn't part too wide.
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Old April 24 2013, 05:37 PM   #202
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I also said in another post that I'm amused by the supposedly enlightened Trek fans who get all twisted out of shape when things aren't exactly 'the way they're supposed to be'.
Never said I was enlightened. I just pointed out a simple truth, not an absurdity, and certainly not deserving of a claim of racism. I don't appreciate it.
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Old April 24 2013, 05:43 PM   #203
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I also said in another post that I'm amused by the supposedly enlightened Trek fans who get all twisted out of shape when things aren't exactly 'the way they're supposed to be'.
Never said I was enlightened. I just pointed out a simple truth, not an absurdity, and certainly not deserving of a claim of racism. I don't appreciate it.
And I never called anyone by name, nor did I quote any one specific post.

Nice talkin' to ya though.
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Old April 24 2013, 06:07 PM   #204
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So how about that STiD, eh?
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Old April 24 2013, 06:11 PM   #205
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So how about that STiD, eh?
The new japanese trailer has a different San Franciso than the previous ones did.


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Old April 24 2013, 06:17 PM   #206
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It could be explained also by Section 31, if they had further enhanced his genetics.
It's an alternate universe from the get go, even before the Kelvin incident. That's one easy way to solve everyone's issues with canon. The Abramsverse is one of endless multiverses (like the ones hinted at in TNG's Parallels). Easy solution.
Here's an even easier one - these are stories. One group of people told the first version, now another group of people are telling a different version. All of this tail-chasing about universes is tiresome. Why does this matter to anyone?
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Old April 24 2013, 06:23 PM   #207
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Why does this matter to anyone?
Because some people depend on the illusion that ST universe is real.
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Old April 24 2013, 06:26 PM   #208
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Why does this matter to anyone?
Because some people depend on the illusion that ST universe is real.
Quoted for Truth.
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Old April 24 2013, 06:36 PM   #209
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Does Khan live?

I'd suggest this movie is a positioner for the 3rd movie.

On another, somewhat more predictable note, perhaps people should see the movie first before bowling in with opinions based on the views of the 6 people who did see it. I expected spoilers but not the misinformed diatribes rolling through this thread. It's so depressing to see this.

This is how it is now, how Trek was didn't work in the final analysis because of things like Insurrection and Nemesis. That's just the reality of the movie business I guess.
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Old April 24 2013, 06:38 PM   #210
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There aren't a lot of starring roles for Indian actors in Hollywood. This was one of them.
The part's never been played by an Indian actor or by an actor who resembled an Indian.
Charlie Chan was played by white guys but that doesn't mean Hollywood should make a modern Charlie Chan movie and cast Cumberbatch in the role.

Khan in Space Seed was presented as an Indian even if the producers didn't bother to cast an Indian actor -- that was par for the course back then, but that was the same era that gave us Mickey Rooney playing a Japanese man in Breakfast at Tiffany's. Society has moved on since then, and whitewashing is no longer acceptable.
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