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Old April 24 2013, 03:23 AM   #166
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Re: STID: The 前ther' Starship / [Spoiler]

Maybe Harrison built it in the same secret base as the Scimitar?
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Old April 24 2013, 03:24 AM   #167
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Re: STID: The 前ther' Starship / [Spoiler]

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I don't like it, it looks way too much like a TNG ship...
It's very, very clearly a John Eaves design, right down to the Sovereign-class styled escape pods on the oval saucer. It feels out-of-place in the Ryan Church destined JJ Trek timeline. Maybe that's the point, what with it being a black ops ship, but it would have been nice if they hadn't repeated so many motifs from the TNG films and DS9.
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Old April 24 2013, 03:30 AM   #168
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I wonder if the saucer ring separates


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Old April 24 2013, 03:32 AM   #169
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Re: STID: The 前ther' Starship / [Spoiler]

I agree that Starfleet design would have changed after the Kelvin incident, but does something like the Vengeance really fit with the era? Here we have a redesigned Enterprise, that though some don't like it, still carries the overall TOS style. And the rest of the fleet still have the Pre-TOS style. It makes sense that technology has advanced and I can even believe the size changes, but to jump from the nice lines of the TOS era ships to the almost 25th century designs just seems a bit much. The Vengeance feels like a ship designed for the STAR TREK ONLINE game.
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Old April 24 2013, 04:22 AM   #170
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Looks massive but I hope the starship action is good.
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Old April 24 2013, 05:20 AM   #171
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Old April 24 2013, 05:24 AM   #172
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Very cool detail. It seems like a "stealth" Starfleet ship, which would make sense for a black-ops vessel. Nice TMP refit-inspired nacelles, too. I wonder what the "jar" in the middle of the saucer is -- is this a sensor, or the bridge with a wrap-around screen? If you look at the bridge picture with JJ standing in the foreground, it seems likely that that's what we're looking at (when I was a kid XX years ago, I actually imagined something like this).

I haven't been this excited about a new starship design since Excelsior's introduction.

Anyone willing to do a scale estimate on the size of this thing? (to prove it's about 800m long? )

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Old April 24 2013, 06:52 AM   #173
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Does a stealth starship really make any sense? How can it be stealth? Cloaking devices are a no no, but I doubt that'd stop S31. Maybe it's like the Normandy from ME.
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Old April 24 2013, 09:25 AM   #174
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They seem to be jumping ahead of themselves here. The Vengeance looks more like a 24th century ship. More like a Dreadnought Sovereign class variant.
Rememeber that scans of Nero's 24th century ship and weapons have been around for 25 years. One year prior to Into Darkness, an advanced Vulcan ship was spotted above the Earth, and left Nero's drill weapon in San Francisco bay. Scanning both ships as they lept to warp probably gave them some ideas about how warp fields are arranged in 2387. Apply that info to Starfleet designs and you end up with bastard child nacelles of a refit-Constitution and a Sovereign.

Meanwhile, they seem to have given up on the TOS era design style. Enterprise, even though its been restyled, still holds the TOS feel with the external Deflector dish, the rotating Bussard Collectors, etc etc. The rest of the fleet is still of the Kelvin era design.

Now JJ has Starfleet fielding huge ships with much later styling design. What does this mean for a third movie? They redesign the fleet to look like Vengeance variants? And so what do you get in the alternate 24th century, Enterprise J designs?
I haven't seen the movie nor even read the spoilers, but my impression is that the Vengeance is an aberration which will never be the norm for Starfleet.

Add in the real-world stuff: It had to look eeeeevil. Many of John Eaves' STO designs look absolutely monsterous. I think he was a good choice to design the manifestation of Starfleet's descent... Into Darkness! *thunderclap*
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Old April 24 2013, 09:30 AM   #175
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Anyone willing to do a scale estimate on the size of this thing? (to prove it's about 800m long? )
When it crashes in the trailers, that saucer is enourmous.

It looks one deck thick at the rim, about ten in the centre hollow. Windows the same size as those on the Enterprise saucer rim and bridge. If the OP is right (and the scene where it drops put of warp backs this up), it's twice the size of the Enterprise - 1450 metres long.
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Hmm. Is the "clearly superior enemy megaship" trope being over-used? I mean, it's a pretty simple and effective way of giving a sense of threat, just, this is the third movie in a row to use it.
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Old April 24 2013, 01:38 PM   #177
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I really think this ship I designed a while back looks a lot like this. Perhaps a bit smoother and with a filled in saucer but definately similar.
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Old April 24 2013, 03:34 PM   #178
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(...)this ship I designed a while back(...)
Quite in line with the original design politics. Looks like if the Excelsior and Oberth had a baby
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Old April 24 2013, 08:06 PM   #179
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I really think this ship I designed a while back looks a lot like this. Perhaps a bit smoother and with a filled in saucer but definately similar.
The big difference between the Vengeance and previous ships seems to be the secondary hull (which I admit is the one part of it, I'm not really a fan of). On other ships like the Enterprise and Excelsior (as well as the ship in the picture), the top side of the secondary hull remains relatively flat while the bottom end kind of tapers upwards before leveling off. It was a really graceful design. On the Vengeance, the whole things looks more like...

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Old April 24 2013, 08:40 PM   #180
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Hmm. Is the "clearly superior enemy megaship" trope being over-used? I mean, it's a pretty simple and effective way of giving a sense of threat, just, this is the third movie in a row to use it.
A while back, I started a thread asking the question of whether the villain would have another super ship. I guess I was right. It is becoming an overused trope.
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