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Old April 24 2013, 04:12 AM   #16
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Re: Star Trek Needs a Gay Character and Here’s How to Do It

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Statistically speaking, Star Trek already has a number of gay characters. They're various members of the Enterprise crew, citizens of Earth, Vulcan, Romulus, and so on, and they serve in other areas of the Federation. You just don't know it because simply being gay isn't automatically some kind of openly telegraphed behavior, but they're there.
I would agree with you, but I cannot. Star Trek has been showing heterosexual relationships since "The Cage". What has NOT been shown are portrayals of gay relationships in the same manner.

I have stated in the numerous other "Star Trek needs gay characters" threads that is it relatively simple to do it right.
SCENE: Gay couple in quarters discuss their day on board ship. They are eating dinner, holding hands, having coffee or similar 'normal' activity when Red Alert sounds and Lt. Yellowshirt hugs Ensign Blueshirt, or says, "be safe, babe" as both rush to their respective stations.

No big deal, just a slice of life aboard a starship... just before the action starts.
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Old April 24 2013, 04:21 AM   #17
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I thought gay people didn't exist in Trek?
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Old April 24 2013, 04:24 AM   #18
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I like the first couple of points, but the last one ('Shoving the "accept gay/lesbian/whatever" message into people's face is more likely to backfire than change people's preconceptions') is wrong. GLBT people aren't doing that, they just want what they are as people to be normal without others objecting to it.
All I'm saying is that making an episode all about a certain issue is likely to alienate people because those episodes tend to be condescending and preachy. LGBT people wanting to be normal is great, writers telling people that their mental model of the world is wrong in all caps isn't.
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Old April 24 2013, 04:33 AM   #19
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I thought gay people didn't exist in Trek?
Only in the mirror universe.
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Old April 24 2013, 04:47 AM   #20
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I would love a gay character in Star Trek, but I'd be afraid as to how they'd go about it. Making a big deal of a character coming out would be beyond corny, and I'm not sure how they'd let the audience know a character is gay without it seeming like tokenism. I think the way Sector 7 outlined would probably be the best way, but I'm not sure Star Trek could pull it off.

I certainly wouldn't want another Melora.
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Old April 24 2013, 04:48 AM   #21
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Has anyone asked Zachary Quinto this question? What does he think about how/if it should be done? Someone should ask him on Twitter or something.
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Old April 24 2013, 04:52 AM   #22
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Has anyone asked Zachary Quinto this question? What does he think about how/if it should be done? Someone should ask him on Twitter or something.
They'll never make Spock gay though.
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Old April 24 2013, 04:52 AM   #23
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if they do it now they really CAN'T make a big deal about it. That time has long since past, you can't awkwardly pat yourself on the back in a situation where you're years behind the times.
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Old April 24 2013, 04:55 AM   #24
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if they do it now they really CAN'T make a big deal about it. That time has long since past, you can't awkwardly pat yourself on the back in a situation where you're years behind the times.
True. The time for Star Trek to be cutting edge on this issue passed long ago. However, it is not too late for our beloved franchise about the future to catch up to the present.
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Old April 24 2013, 05:00 AM   #25
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They'll never make Spock gay though.
I know. But I'm interested in hearing what he thinks at least.

In my opinion it's tokenism. It smacks of an agenda. If you must include it, show it in passing, don't make a big deal of it, unless there's a Captain Jack-type character to pull it off.
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Re: Star Trek Needs a Gay Character and Here’s How to Do It

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Statistically speaking, Star Trek already has a number of gay characters. They're various members of the Enterprise crew, citizens of Earth, Vulcan, Romulus, and so on, and they serve in other areas of the Federation. You just don't know it because simply being gay isn't automatically some kind of openly telegraphed behavior, but they're there.
I would agree with you, but I cannot. Star Trek has been showing heterosexual relationships since "The Cage". What has NOT been shown are portrayals of gay relationships in the same manner.

I have stated in the numerous other "Star Trek needs gay characters" threads that is it relatively simple to do it right.
SCENE: Gay couple in quarters discuss their day on board ship. They are eating dinner, holding hands, having coffee or similar 'normal' activity when Red Alert sounds and Lt. Yellowshirt hugs Ensign Blueshirt, or says, "be safe, babe" as both rush to their respective stations.

No big deal, just a slice of life aboard a starship... just before the action starts.
Well, I was being a touch tongue-in-cheek, what with the "statistically" part, but yeah, I get what you're saying. My point was that being gay doesn't make you stand out amongst the crowd just because you're gay. You would have to do something different, like in your example, to show that you're not Sam or Sally Straight Person. Your example is nice and subtle, and I like it.
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Old April 24 2013, 07:03 AM   #27
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They'll never make Spock gay though.
I know. But I'm interested in hearing what he thinks at least.
Zachary Quinto matter of factly mentioned he was gay in a magazine interview. There was no huge announcement from him. I can see him thinking it was no big deal if they turned Spock gay.

Some Trek fans might might have their brains explode at the change though.
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Old April 24 2013, 07:17 AM   #28
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Zachary Quinto matter of factly mentioned he was gay in a magazine interview. There was no huge announcement from him. I can see him thinking it was no big deal if they turned Spock gay.

Some Trek fans might might have their brains explode at the change though.
I don't mean Spock, I mean this topic of whether/how Star Trek should have a gay character.
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Old April 24 2013, 09:01 AM   #29
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Re: Star Trek Needs a Gay Character and Here’s How to Do It

You know how other shows do it? They just have characters who are gay. No big deal is usually made about it. I can't believe how many knots some people tie themselves into to argue "if" it's a good idea or "how".
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Mirror Kira was Bi-Sexual.
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