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Old April 23 2013, 10:40 PM   #151
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Re: STID: The 前ther' Starship / [Spoiler]

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Wow, it certainly looks monsterous. "USS Star Empire" sounds a lot cooler than "USS Vengeance" though.
I wonder if "USS Vengeance" is just a name tossed out to keep the real name hidden.
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Old April 23 2013, 10:45 PM   #152
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I see starfleet have been busy and that starship has balls !!! I'm wondering if its how it deploys the genesis device ???
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Old April 23 2013, 10:48 PM   #153
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I see starfleet have been busy and that starship has balls !!!
Literally.
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Old April 23 2013, 11:11 PM   #154
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That is one ugly ship. Bleh.
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Old April 23 2013, 11:54 PM   #155
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That is one ugly ship. Bleh.
Definitely something that looks like it would be more at home in the Star Wars universe.

What purpose could a giant hole in the saucer possibly serve?
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Old April 24 2013, 12:37 AM   #156
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Old April 24 2013, 01:11 AM   #157
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I made this lightened version of the image to see all the details of the ship.

Somehow reminds me more of a Transformer than a predator.
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Old April 24 2013, 01:16 AM   #158
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They seem to be jumping ahead of themselves here. The Vengeance looks more like a 24th century ship. More like a Dreadnought Sovereign class variant.

Meanwhile, they seem to have given up on the TOS era design style. Enterprise, even though its been restyled, still holds the TOS feel with the external Deflector dish, the rotating Bussard Collectors, etc etc. The rest of the fleet is still of the Kelvin era design.

Now JJ has Starfleet fielding huge ships with much later styling design. What does this mean for a third movie? They redesign the fleet to look like Vengeance variants? And so what do you get in the alternate 24th century, Enterprise J designs?
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Old April 24 2013, 01:38 AM   #159
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I've said it over and over - the changes in the timeline WENT BOTH WAYS. Future *and* past. (Instead of a "Y" shaped branching, imagine an "X" shaped one.)

It has to go both ways, if you just stop and think about it - otherwise nuKirk and co. could travel back in time to any number of events, and hook up with the Prime Kirk and co. or the Prime Picard and company, and then travel back with them into a future that isn't their's!

Star Trek's future has always interacted with, and influenced, it's past - via time travel - so we even have a *mechanism* for how the changes in the timeline could propagate both ways: change Trek's future, change it's past too!

Hence, the Alternate timeline has a different tech level.

(It's even possible that imho, "before" Picard and co. went back to Bozeman Montana in the 2060's, that, like someone else said here, Archer was a Daedalus captain, in one version of events. (The effects of time travel in Trek have never been consistant - though the Star Trek Department of Temporal Investigations books try to address how the different types of time travel changes can exist in one...er...reality...ish..whatever...(multi-reality? over-reality?)
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Old April 24 2013, 02:17 AM   #160
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It looks like ass.
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Old April 24 2013, 02:41 AM   #161
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It looks like ass.
I think it's kinda a crap design too. No style.

I think I would have liked a JJ'verse version of the old Star Fleet Technical Manual 3-nacelle Dreadnought design...
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Old April 24 2013, 02:51 AM   #162
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I don't like it, it looks way too much like a TNG ship and not even remotely graceful, though I'm sure it'll be a prototype or something. Be cool if it had an NX- registry. I do like the idea that scans of the Narada along with the attack by Nero essentially being an earlier Wolf 359 speeding up Starfleet's defensive research.
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Old April 24 2013, 02:56 AM   #163
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It's not supposed to have style or grace. It's a one-off, brute force stealth warship designed to attack from the shadows, blow the hell out of the enemy, and then disappear again.

The F-117 Nighthawk was ugly as sin, but it got the job done. The same applies here.
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Old April 24 2013, 03:05 AM   #164
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That deflector dish reminds me of the wave motion gun.


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Old April 24 2013, 03:10 AM   #165
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