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Old April 23 2013, 08:20 PM   #91
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Re: why is there no more talk of a new star trek tv series?

The broader field has pushed both ends to greater extremes. The worst TV is worse than it has ever been, and the best is better.

Unfortunately, the nature of the current market and its tiered structure means that the worst shows are often the most widely available, and they are so bad that they skew the overall perception.
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Old April 23 2013, 08:31 PM   #92
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People just want to spend time trapped in The Golden Oldies Zone and won't ever leave. And they expect the home video divisions of the major studios to put every old TV show of the '50s and '60s on DVD in fully remastered sets, regardless of if they will even sell enough units to justify making more.. That, and resistance to the 2009 Star Trek movie and the current one make me wonder if people even know what decade or century this is.
It works both ways. On the one hand, you have the curmudgeons who insist that everything was better in the good old days, damnit, and anything new and modern is crap, especially if all those stupid young people like it.

But, on the other hand, you have the callow kids who insist that anything filmed before they came of age is hopelessly "cheesy" and lame. And black-and-white . . . forget about it!

Some days I'm convinced that half the battles on the internet are generational in origin . . . and it can be honestly hard to tell which side is most annoying.
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Old April 23 2013, 09:55 PM   #93
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Re: why is there no more talk of a new star trek tv series?

The "Our stuff is better than Their stuff" syndrome.
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Old April 23 2013, 09:56 PM   #94
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I don't know. We were just debating this in another thread the other day. Sure, there's plenty of reality shows these days, but there's no shortage of quality dramas as well, more than any one person can have time to watch. Tonight alone we have LOST GIRL, CASTLE, BATES MOTEL, and possibly DEFIANCE (which I haven't sampled yet.) Last night you had ONCE UPON A TIME and VIKINGS. Wednesday is THE AMERICANS, which is probably my favorite new series. (Seriously, check it out. It's really good.)

I don't think audiences have gotten dumber, or that there's nothing but "sleaze" anymore. There's as much quality TV today as there's ever been. You just need to know where to look.
That's what I've been saying for quite a long while to the idiots at the forums of this website (in particular this thread) and they don't or won't get it, at all. People just want to spend time trapped in The Golden Oldies Zone and won't ever leave. And they expect the home video divisions of the major studios to put every old TV show of the '50s, '60s, '70s and '80s on DVD in fully remastered sets, regardless of if they will even sell enough units to justify making more. That, and resistance to the 2009 Star Trek movie and the current one make me wonder if people even know what decade or century this is.
So... they're idiots because they like a different type of product than you? Rather shallow reason to insult someone.
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Old April 23 2013, 10:18 PM   #95
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The "Our stuff is better than Their stuff" syndrome.
Or as another poster once put it succinctly:

"My nostalgia trumps your nostalgia."


That's about half the debates in fan message boards right there!
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Old April 23 2013, 10:20 PM   #96
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Re: why is there no more talk of a new star trek tv series?

^^^
Oh, so very true, yes.
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Old April 23 2013, 10:23 PM   #97
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^^^
Oh, so very true, yes.
I wish I could claim that line, but somebody said it years ago on the old DC Comics message boards. Can't remember who, although, of course, the name was probably something like "BizarroFlashFan398."
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Old April 23 2013, 10:51 PM   #98
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The broader field has pushed both ends to greater extremes. The worst TV is worse than it has ever been, and the best is better.

Unfortunately, the nature of the current market and its tiered structure means that the worst shows are often the most widely available, and they are so bad that they skew the overall perception.
The 'worst TV' was worse 'back then' too:

1950's

Queen For A Day

Who’s Whose

The Adventures of Paddy the Pelican

Amos & Andy

Bucky and Pepito

Captain Fathom

Pow Wow the Indian Boy

Mighty Mister Titan

Ramar of The Jungle


1960's

The Baileys of Balboa

Gilligan's Island

Petticoat Junction

Green Acres

Camp Runamuck

My Mother the Car

Calvin and the Colonel

The Flying Nun

The Second Hundred Years

Batman (1966 TV series)

The Ugliest Girl in Town

Hogan's Heroes

The Pruitts of Southampton


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It works both ways. On the one hand, you have the curmudgeons who insist that everything was better in the good old days, dammit, and anything new and modern is crap, especially if all those stupid young people like it.

But, on the other hand, you have the callow kids who insist that anything filmed before they came of age is hopelessly "cheesy" and lame. And black-and-white . . . forget about it!

Some days I'm convinced that half the battles on the Internet are generational in origin . . . and it can be honestly hard to tell which side is most annoying.
Both are, but the former is even more annoying than the latter, because at least the latter have the knowledge of great TV of the present and can watch them. The former just wants to stay stuck in the past, because many of them have no idea how to exist in the present or deal with the future, and so hate any new original movie/TV show/comic book while detesting any remakes or continuations of older material and franchises. A lot of them deserve to be sent back in time, to be quite frank, except for the fact that they wouldn't survive one hour before wanting what exists here in the present.
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Old April 23 2013, 10:57 PM   #99
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Re: why is there no more talk of a new star trek tv series?

That would only apply if good art wasn't timeless. Just saw Batman on tv yesterday in spanish and I still loved it.
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Old April 23 2013, 11:15 PM   #100
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The broader field has pushed both ends to greater extremes. The worst TV is worse than it has ever been, and the best is better.

Unfortunately, the nature of the current market and its tiered structure means that the worst shows are often the most widely available, and they are so bad that they skew the overall perception.
The 'worst TV' was worse 'back then' too:

1950's

Queen For A Day

Who’s Whose

The Adventures of Paddy the Pelican

Amos & Andy

Bucky and Pepito

Captain Fathom

Pow Wow the Indian Boy

Mighty Mister Titan

Ramar of The Jungle


1960's

The Baileys of Balboa

Gilligan's Island

Petticoat Junction

Green Acres

Camp Runamuck

My Mother the Car

Calvin and the Colonel

The Flying Nun

The Second Hundred Years

Batman (1966 TV series)

The Ugliest Girl in Town

Hogan's Heroes

The Pruitts of Southampton


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It works both ways. On the one hand, you have the curmudgeons who insist that everything was better in the good old days, dammit, and anything new and modern is crap, especially if all those stupid young people like it.

But, on the other hand, you have the callow kids who insist that anything filmed before they came of age is hopelessly "cheesy" and lame. And black-and-white . . . forget about it!

Some days I'm convinced that half the battles on the Internet are generational in origin . . . and it can be honestly hard to tell which side is most annoying.
Both are, but the former is even more annoying than the latter, because at least the latter have the knowledge of great TV of the present and can watch them. The former just wants to stay stuck in the past, because many of them have no idea how to exist in the present or deal with the future, and so hate any new original movie/TV show/comic book while detesting any remakes or continuations of older material and franchises. A lot of them deserve to be sent back in time, to be quite frank, except for the fact that they wouldn't survive one hour before wanting what exists here in the present.
Oh I know there was bad TV back in the day, and some of it was really bad, but that doesn't avoid the fact that the greater number of productions today makes for greater extremes in both directions.
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Old April 23 2013, 11:20 PM   #101
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Both are, but the former is even more annoying than the latter, because at least the latter have the knowledge of great TV of the present and can watch them. The former just wants to stay stuck in the past, because many of them have no idea how to exist in the present or deal with the future, and so hate any new original movie/TV show/comic book while detesting any remakes or continuations of older material and franchises. A lot of them deserve to be sent back in time, to be quite frank, except for the fact that they wouldn't survive one hour before wanting what exists here in the present.
Ah, but the younger ones are sometimes willfully ignorant of the classics of the past--and don't care to learn anything about them, because all that old stuff is dated and corny and cheesy anyway. So they dismiss entire decades of TV history as being beneath their interest--and miss out on lots of great stuff while practically bragging about their ignorance of the past.

Just wait until you're older and some kid tells you that "Throne of Games" couldn't possibly have been any good 'cause nobody his age has ever heard of it.

(Trust me, I've been there.)
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Old April 24 2013, 12:40 PM   #102
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I love the gems of classical cinema but I have never seen a great TV show from the past. Either I am ignorant or they are simply pouring more money and creative juices into TV nowadays.
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Old April 24 2013, 01:30 PM   #103
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Just wait until you're older and some kid tells you that "Throne of Games" couldn't possibly have been any good 'cause nobody his age has ever heard of it.

(Trust me, I've been there.)
It's called "Game of Thrones".

It will be remembered years from now. It's the garbage shows that tend to be forgotten.
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Old April 24 2013, 01:40 PM   #104
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Just wait until you're older and some kid tells you that "Throne of Games" couldn't possibly have been any good 'cause nobody his age has ever heard of it.

(Trust me, I've been there.)
It's called "Game of Thrones".:.
Yes, that's the joke.

As for classic shows of the past, how about, say, THE AVENGERS, THE TWILIGHT ZONE, THE OUTER LIMITS, and, um, STAR TREK . . . ?
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Old April 24 2013, 01:44 PM   #105
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I love the gems of classical cinema but I have never seen a great TV show from the past. Either I am ignorant or they are simply pouring more money and creative juices into TV nowadays.
Really? You don't think there are any great TV shows from the past?

If we just want to stick to the science fiction genre, I would submit Twilight Zone as one example. Frankly, I'd also offer TOS. For all it's cheesy 60's goodness, there's a lot of real high-quality storytelling in there.
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