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Old April 23 2013, 01:42 PM   #16
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It was not armed to the teeth.

Maybe after wandering around as a pirate for 25 years, the weapons systems were off spec.

The Narada could turn off 23rd century shields because it's computers were faster and more intuitive, and it probably could just shoot through shields as if they weren't there if there computers were smart enough to figure out the shield harmonics.

Being 5 miles long didn't mean that the ship was powerful, it meant that the bugger was almost impossible to coverall with their shield, you know except that their engine and feul cells are from the late 24th century... It's a drill for mining a planet from orbit, they probably have to reverse some serious health and safter practices to trick the computer into thinking that it's okay to blow up a planet it should want o repeatyedly penetrat without leaving lasting environmental damage, but year a massive drilling beam, and storage to carry all the ore or what every they're mining unless other ships were supposed to charged with the responsibilities of haulage.

And even then they still wouldn't have been provided with militry grade shields becuase this ship is a mining vessel used for comerical ventures and were not designed to be taken into combat which means that they didn't have to make it espeically invulnerable at all.

Is there any evidence that this was a war ship expected to be taken into war and not a civilian utility vehicle in over it's head?
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Old April 23 2013, 02:03 PM   #17
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If Narada has knockoff Borg technology as per Countdown and is thus leagues ahead of even 24th century Federation ships, Voyager is kinda screwed but has a big help in Seven of Nine's Borg knowledge.

If Narada really is just a simple mining vessel, and thus technologically on par(-ish) with 24th century Federation technology, it's a different story. Those cluster missiles would still pack an almighty punch, though.
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Old April 23 2013, 02:06 PM   #18
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(...) they still wouldn't have been provided with militry grade shields becuase this ship is a mining vessel used for comerical ventures and were not designed to be taken into combat(...)

Is there any evidence that this was a war ship expected to be taken into war and not a civilian utility vehicle in over it's head?
Only in the Countdown comic books. The Memory-Beta wikia has all the upgrades and enhancements made to the ship covered in the bottom section of this article.

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Narada
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Old April 23 2013, 02:15 PM   #19
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I call bullshit on the ship having Borg upgrades because those comics were awful.

I'm supposed to believe that Nero took down V'Ger while waiting for Spock to enter the timeline?

Those comics?

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Old April 23 2013, 03:09 PM   #20
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Hey, I liked Countdown. But the Nero comic, where he meets V'ger, was one of the stupidest things ever.

EVER.
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Old April 23 2013, 03:19 PM   #21
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Nero took out V'Ger in the comics? Oi... and people ask me why I don't read that... stuff.
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Old April 23 2013, 05:40 PM   #22
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The casual filmgoer isn't going to know anything about Narada having Borg technology because it's not on the screen. It doesn't matter if it's "official" because it's in the comics. If a comic or novel contains important information needed to understand the film and get more money from the potential audience, then the film failed to get its information across to that audience. Blame it on studio interference for running time or whatever, any film that needs to be supplemented by books or comics or bubblegum wrappers to understand it hasn't done its job right.

All this extra information stuff seems to have started with The Matrix.
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Old April 23 2013, 06:09 PM   #23
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The Narada was five-miles long and armed to the teeth. Voyager would've been no more capable of holding off a surprise attack than the Kelvin was.
Again Nero had a over 150 year advantage in technology over the Kelvin, over Janeway he would have had a 10 year advantage and being in a mining ship probably not even that.
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Hey, I liked Countdown. But the Nero comic, where he meets V'ger, was one of the stupidest things ever.

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Nero meets V'Ger?
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Old May 20 2013, 06:09 PM   #25
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The Narada was five-miles long and armed to the teeth. Voyager would've been no more capable of holding off a surprise attack than the Kelvin was.
Again Nero had a over 150 year advantage in technology over the Kelvin, over Janeway he would have had a 10 year advantage and being in a mining ship probably not even that.
Yeah, take a cargo ship from today and arm it with sonar, rockets and the such and send it back 150 years, it'll still tear up the warships of the time.
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Old May 20 2013, 07:39 PM   #26
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Hey, I liked Countdown. But the Nero comic, where he meets V'ger, was one of the stupidest things ever.

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Nero meets V'Ger?
Yeah. In the comic, Nero got the time and co-oridinates of Spock's wormhole by mind-melding with V'Ger.


Worst.

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Old May 20 2013, 10:55 PM   #27
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V'Ger is an awful storyline anywhere, anytime.
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Old May 21 2013, 03:30 AM   #28
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Not that I am going to buy the comic, but Nero and V'Ger? timeline? alternate? when is V'Ger coming to Earth? will Krik have to deal with it again? and tha whale probe? my brain hurts. I'd be much happier if they just had said "it's a reboot" in the first time.

Anyone here like me, the first time I heard the word "reboot" applied to a movie it was the Incredible Hulk? After that fiasco of Ang Lee's in 2003? which has a Hulk that no smash? which starred ERIC BANA, NERO himself ? aaaauughh my poor brain
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Old May 21 2013, 03:36 AM   #29
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Janeway would find a way to restore Romulus, somehow without making it home.

In the process she would lose three ensigns but somehow not have any fewer crew members.
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Old May 21 2013, 08:18 AM   #30
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V'Ger is an awful storyline anywhere, anytime.
No . I'm so hoping it'll be the plot for ST XIII.

Oh, and Nero...

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