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Old April 22 2013, 09:48 PM   #76
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Re: why is there no more talk of a new star trek tv series?

Serious Trek can be done again in the style of 2001 but not by bad robot who really can't distinguish it from Galaxy Quest which is what it would be if they did it. That would be weird in a multi-infarc demensia kind of way. I.e. life imitating art.
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Old April 22 2013, 10:25 PM   #77
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I was always more of a Cleopatra 2525 man . . . .
Me too... That show did a far better job of creating an original, futuristic world in half hour installments than most other shows did in hour-long time slots across multiple seasons...
I will go to my grave regretting that I never got to write a Cleopatra 2525 novel. Really.
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Old April 22 2013, 10:32 PM   #78
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I just don't see a new series anytime soon, and IF there is a new series, I don't see it resembling anything that's been put out up to this point. I believe we will get one or two new Abrams films, and maybe 1080p remasters of all the existing series, repackaged a couple of more times before dvd's and blu rays go the way of the dodo bird, A few more books, a few more DST toys, and that's it really, it'll be like it was in the 70's again, kinda underground. We will credit Star Trek with things sure, but people's perception of what the future will be like is changing. I don't see these latest films as a resurgence that will power Star Trek for another 50 years. The masses will have forgotten these movies within five years (and that's if the next film is good). I believe that trek is at it's creative sunset, these next couple of movies I honestly believe will be it for new trek. Just my opinion.
In the 1970's, Trek was seen as a failure. That's why there was a complete absence of new Trek, save for the animated series.

However, ST09 was an absolute blockbuster success. If Into Darkness provides similar results, and a third film does the same, there is simply no way we're going to see a repeat of the 70's. Film and TV studios simply do not see three major blockbuster successes in a row and then say "well, let's take a break for a while."

I just think audiences are vastly different now, too short attention spans, I agree with an above poster in that networks will resort to sleaze television, (Ghetto Drama Talk shows, Lets get some douchebags drunk in a house and see what happens shows, and American Idol type shows) but like I said, this is all my opinion, I could very easily be wrong. If a new trek series comes out and it is successful, I will happily live with my wrongness.
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Old April 22 2013, 10:48 PM   #79
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Re: why is there no more talk of a new star trek tv series?

Unfortunately, you're not wrong... It's this trend or pattern I've seen in TV and especially movies... Overuse of CGI, more emphasis on Visual rather than on, you know, Plot, Writing, Acting... It's all about chucking explosions in the audiences' faces every couple minutes to keep their brains alive... Over the past decade, I've seen some of the worst so-called Sci-Fi films and series; they're all pretty much kids flicks with over-the-top action scenes, one after another (and with frames apparently Missing to speed them up so you don't know who or what is fighting who or what!)... Science Fiction is becoming more aligned with cartoons and comic books than good stuff... I think the only half-decent "intelligent" SF film I've seen in the past decade was "Moon" and, being so low-budgeted, it hardly saw the light of day...
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Old April 22 2013, 10:54 PM   #80
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I just think audiences are vastly different now, too short attention spans, I agree with an above poster in that networks will resort to sleaze television, (Ghetto Drama Talk shows...)
Ghetto Drama Talk shows?
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Old April 22 2013, 10:54 PM   #81
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I just think audiences are vastly different now, too short attention spans, I agree with an above poster in that networks will resort to sleaze television, (Ghetto Drama Talk shows, Lets get some douchebags drunk in a house and see what happens shows, and American Idol type shows) but like I said, this is all my opinion, I could very easily be wrong. If a new trek series comes out and it is successful, I will happily live with my wrongness.
I don't know. We were just debating this in another thread the other day. Sure, there's plenty of reality shows these days, but there's no shortage of quality dramas as well, more than any one person can have time to watch. Tonight alone we have LOST GIRL, CASTLE, BATES MOTEL, and possibly DEFIANCE (which I haven't sampled yet.) Last night you had ONCE UPON A TIME and VIKINGS. Wednesday is THE AMERICANS, which is probably my favorite new series. (Seriously, check it out. It's really good.)

I don't think audiences have gotten dumber, or that there's nothing but "sleaze" anymore. There's as much quality TV today as there's ever been. You just need to know where to look.
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Old April 22 2013, 11:05 PM   #82
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Perhaps it's not so much there isn't as much quality TV on these days, but that there is just more reality/makeover etc.. shows. Which gives the perception that there is less quality.
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Old April 22 2013, 11:12 PM   #83
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I agree with an above poster in that networks will resort to sleaze television
You talking about all the sleazy decon chamber scenes on ENT?
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Old April 23 2013, 02:20 PM   #84
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I'm fine without a TV series. I don't think we need Star Trek permeating all media again (even all of the fan films are getting to be a bit much). Let the current movies go on without competition from seeing Star Trek for free on TV.

Besides, it would just be one more thing to bitch about.
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Old April 23 2013, 02:38 PM   #85
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I'm fine without a TV series. I don't think we need Star Trek permeating all media again (even all of the fan films are getting to be a bit much). Let the current movies go on without competition from seeing Star Trek for free on TV.

Besides, it would just be one more thing to bitch about.
People will bitch with or without a new TV series, so that doesn't matter. Every Trek series and movie has its detractors.

But I do think a new Trek series has to be something different from the movies, in the same way (if not more so) than the upcoming Agents of SHIELD TV series will be different from The Avengers movies. Heck, it might be better if a new Trek series is in a totally different era (or universe) than the movies. There was a time when we did have new TOS movies while TNG was on.
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Old April 23 2013, 04:10 PM   #86
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Perhaps it's not so much there isn't as much quality TV on these days, but that there is just more reality/makeover etc.. shows. Which gives the perception that there is less quality.
That is only on the Networks, on the cable channels we have had some of the best TV shows ever:

The Wire, Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Boardwalk Empire, Homeland, Justified, etc.

We even have online series that have great TV shows, like Netflix with House of Cards.

Anyone who says TV is worse now then it has been the past, is clearly not looking in the right places. If anything we in are in a golden age of television.
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Old April 23 2013, 04:40 PM   #87
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The "problem," I suppose, is the proliferation of content because of cable. Cable, of course, has led to a number of great shows, but Sturgeon's Law still applies. And since there is a lot, LOT more television now than in the three network era, ther is a lot of crap.
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Old April 23 2013, 05:32 PM   #88
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The "problem," I suppose, is the proliferation of content because of cable. Cable, of course, has led to a number of great shows, but Sturgeon's Law still applies. And since there is a lot, LOT more television now than in the three network era, ther is a lot of crap.
Sure, but that has always been the case, even back in the 60s and 70s, a lot of the shows were garbage and there were a few good ones. But the fact is there is quality TV content now, then in the past, one has just has be discriminating. TV is way better now then it was in any past decade.

With so many more outlets, we have more avenues for good shows to be created, then in the past. TV can get away with things that you could only do in movies in terms of mature content and all the cable channels have produced a wider variety and diversity of shows, that would not have been possible in the past.

I think anyone who says TV is worse now, then in the past, is mistaken and is not looking in the right places.
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Old April 23 2013, 05:46 PM   #89
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That's exactly my point; sorry it wasn't clearer. With a bigger pie of television, Sturgeon's Law means there is more quality TV being made, too.
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Old April 23 2013, 08:06 PM   #90
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I don't know. We were just debating this in another thread the other day. Sure, there's plenty of reality shows these days, but there's no shortage of quality dramas as well, more than any one person can have time to watch. Tonight alone we have LOST GIRL, CASTLE, BATES MOTEL, and possibly DEFIANCE (which I haven't sampled yet.) Last night you had ONCE UPON A TIME and VIKINGS. Wednesday is THE AMERICANS, which is probably my favorite new series. (Seriously, check it out. It's really good.)

I don't think audiences have gotten dumber, or that there's nothing but "sleaze" anymore. There's as much quality TV today as there's ever been. You just need to know where to look.
That's what I've been saying for quite a long while to the idiots at the forums of this website (in particular this thread) and they don't or won't get it, at all. People just want to spend time trapped in The Golden Oldies Zone and won't ever leave. And they expect the home video divisions of the major studios to put every old TV show of the '50s, '60s, '70s and '80s on DVD in fully remastered sets, regardless of if they will even sell enough units to justify making more. That, and resistance to the 2009 Star Trek movie and the current one make me wonder if people even know what decade or century this is.

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