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Old April 20 2013, 10:14 PM   #151
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Re: How Far Should TOS-R Have Gone?

Seriously, how much "meaningful" SF has there been on film or TV? Very very little.
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Old April 20 2013, 10:30 PM   #152
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A few comments on the above.
  1. Re the argument that the originals are not gone. For a lot of people they are. Go to syndication or Netflix and watch a TOS episode and you dont have the option to see the originals. So, unless you are willing to shell out money to own bluray discs, you can't watch the originals any more.

But would it be available to watch at all on TV or via streaming, if it hadn't been remastered? We can't really now the answer to that can we?

You know I think one of the reasons Star Trek stood the test of time unlike many other shows is that esp. in the first two seasons it told good stories. The effects whether they be the original or the re-mastered are secondary to the story and for the most part don't really detract from the story.

Are the new effects perfect, no of course not.
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Old April 20 2013, 10:46 PM   #153
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A few comments on the above.
  1. Re the argument that the originals are not gone. For a lot of people they are. Go to syndication or Netflix and watch a TOS episode and you dont have the option to see the originals. So, unless you are willing to shell out money to own bluray discs, you can't watch the originals any more.
But would it be available to watch at all on TV or via streaming, if it hadn't been remastered? We can't really now the answer to that can we?
Given the number of times the show has been resyndicated and sold on various home video formats, and given how many unremastered shows are on Hulu, etc., I'd say the show wasn't in any risk of disappearing utterly.
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Old April 20 2013, 11:13 PM   #154
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^There is always a risk no matter how small, even if it's infinitesimal.
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Old April 21 2013, 03:01 AM   #155
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^^^Which in no way justifies the what was done in the remastered effects.
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Old April 21 2013, 03:41 AM   #156
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I've stated my opinions and I'm sure few if any will agree with them... That's the story of my life... I don't hop on the bandwagon and blindly follow crowds... I like to reason my own course out beforehand... I'm a thinking man in an unpopular world of herd instinct Borg...
Perhaps you're simply overthinking something that has always been entertainment for most of us?

There's enough going on in the real world.
Who says Star Trek ISN'T the real world?

If I've never kissed a girl and have to live in my parents' basement, I've got to get off on Something!
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Old April 21 2013, 11:19 PM   #157
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Re: How Far Should TOS-R Have Gone?

I put forth The Measure of a Man as the counter-argument as why the final product released to the public shouldn't be the 'final' product. The extended version of the episode on the TNG Season 2 Blu-ray set is awesome. In order to do it, they had to create special effects for thirteen minutes of new footage incorporated into the episode.
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Old April 22 2013, 02:57 PM   #158
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How far? This far:
Star Trek TOS Bridge Replacement
http://vimeo.com/12023417

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Old April 22 2013, 04:07 PM   #159
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I'm tired of this old "FJ was not a fan" bunk... If he wasn't a fan he wouldn't have sunk so much time and effort into what he accomplished! Duh! One brief interview repeated over and over again does nothing for me and in a court of law would be dismissed as hearsay...
It doesn't mean he was a fan, just a professional. If you won't believe his daughter Karen, take it from Franz Joseph Schnaubelt himself, in an interview from 1976:

Franz Joseph Schnaubelt wrote:
I was doing nothing with Star Trek. But my daughter, Karen, has been a trekkie from the first episode. I did look at the first two and decided they weren't so hot. I enjoyed Lost in Space, which was running at the same time, because it was a space-age soap opera. Then it got to be way too wild so I started to watch Star Trek with Karen, but I've never been a fan of the show.

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I've never bothered with science fiction, and I've never bothered with Star Trek.

As I told you at the beginning, I'm not an avid fan. Sure, it's great--the kids are having fun and everybody enjoys it and more power to them.
http://www.trekplace.com/fj-fjwilliamsint01.html

I love FJ's contributions to Trek. He set the standard and his contributions formed integral parts of the Trekverse. But like Harve Bennett, Nicholas Meyer and even J.J. Abrams, he was not a Trek fan.
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Old April 22 2013, 05:31 PM   #160
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That interview's getting kinda old, don'tya think?
I just think that you and your pals are trying to make a statement here about something...

A friend of a friend of a friend of mine who ran into Leonard Nimoy during lunch, said that Lenny N proclaimed Star Trek and its fans to be trash (that's paraphrasing it, of course)... Since my friend of a friend of a friend heard That from The Leonard Nimoy, he denounced fandom and never watched another Trek episode ever again...

But my bottom line is that I'm not paying to see Into Darkness... I'll see it free through my own unspeakable means, but TPTB won't make a cent off of me in a theater... Having endured the 2009 movie, its bad taste still lingers in my mouth and I have a pretty good idea of what's in store this time around... Like they say, "It's not your father's Star Trek"... It's not mine, either...
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Old April 22 2013, 05:59 PM   #161
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That interview's getting kinda old, don'tya think?
I just think that you and your pals are trying to make a statement here about something...
Not the same interview. That was FJ himself in 1976. The prior one was his daughter Karen in 1999.

I just think you should know the truth behind that which you hold so dear, rather than repeat incorrect statements, such as FJ being a big Trek fan, and blaming everyone but Roddenberry and Franz Joseph for FJ's work being contradicted, as if Mike Okuda went rogue and took over the franchise or something.
A friend of a friend of a friend of mine who ran into Leonard Nimoy during lunch, said that Lenny N proclaimed Star Trek and its fans to be trash (that's paraphrasing it, of course)... Since my friend of a friend of a friend heard That from The Leonard Nimoy, he denounced fandom and never watched another Trek episode ever again...
Even of those were Nimoy's feelings about Trekkies, he has not (to the best of my knowledge) said as much in an official interview.
Besides, it's again an unfair comparison - FJ never intentionally disrespected a Trek fan or spoke ill of fandom. He didn't consider the show trash - just not his thing. Which is fair enough, IMO.
But my bottom line is that I'm not paying to see Into Darkness... I'll see it free through my own unspeakable means, but TPTB won't make a cent off of me in a theater... Having endured the 2009 movie, its bad taste still lingers in my mouth and I have a pretty good idea of what's in store this time around... Like they say, "It's not your father's Star Trek"... It's not mine, either...
I wouldn't brag about pirating movies here. Perhaps it would be best if you simply didn't see it, or waited for it to air on television? It's only gonna upset and anger you anyway. Unless that's all part of the fun in your eyes...
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Old April 22 2013, 06:46 PM   #162
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^As much as I hate to say this, it's his right to see it as a download if he doesn't want to pay any of his money to see it in a theater. It's what I do sometimes myself when I don't care for a movie that much to pay for it physically or as a rental (case in point; this abominable 1968 movie starring Jackie Gleason and directed by Otto Preminger that was an attempt to be 'with it' back during that year.)

Of course, as I've suggested, I wish that Lenny would see a good shrink, or just stick to the original shows and movies on DVD. But like most classic fans, he'll continue to be an obnoxious Trekkie.
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Old April 22 2013, 08:43 PM   #163
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Oh, King Daniel... Oooh, "the truth behind it" and only "official" interviews...

Tell you what, I wont see the new Trek movie if you don't read any of Franz Joseph's stuff or that nasty, dirty, filthy, "illegal" Tech Fandom stuff that I love... Deal? We'll both be happy then and be able to cope better with the real world...

And a note on piracy: who said anything about piracy? I'll see a copy when it comes around... Emphasis on the word c-o-p-y... Nobody's talking about "theft of property" here... No more than I'd take a copy of your avatar, print it out, frame it, and hang it up on my wall next to one of my heroes... Don't worry about all your money you have invested in Paramound...I know the type, oh how I know the type...

As for Shaka Zulu, that was kinda below the belt and uncalled for...but I expected as such in a place like this... Especially in light of not knowing the facts... Like having seen shrinks in the past when I was young (why? because of social phobia, anxiety, and just being, you know, a little Different because I preferred to Read Books rather than hang out in bars and get drunk on Friday nights)... I had a nervous disposition so Mr. Shrink gave me prescription drugs... Know what they did? They either made me super-tired that I couldn't function, or they placed me in a zomboid state which, again, meant that I couldn't function...
Result: I lost jobs and my career went down the drain.. All because society wanted me to be "normal" like them... But, hey, Mr. Shrink got very rich off of me...

And I'm not an "obnoxious Trekkie" because I don't run around with a Star Fleet uniform on, rubber Spock ears, or act like an asshole at cons... I dress and behave quite normally, if a bit aloofly, and I've learned the hard way Not to display one's love for Trek in public...
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Old April 22 2013, 08:57 PM   #164
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There is no difference between wearing a T-Shirt of your favourite TV programme/film to that of your favourite sports team.

I don't go around critising people for wearing a top from their favourite sports team, all I ask is that you do the same.
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Old April 22 2013, 09:02 PM   #165
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I saw the 09 debacle on a copied dvd my brother in law gave me because his buddy burned it for him and he didn't like it. I expect to see this new one in the same way, I will not spend a penny on it, there's plenty of sheeple to do that for me.

P.S. I assume it was burned from HBO, is that piracy? I didn't pay for it, that was my point. I thought piracy included selling things.

Also, I'm expecting the new movie to be another blockbuster. That means a lot more people than "Star Trek fans" are going to see it. Those people that see a movie because it's the latest movie with action in it were the ones to whom I was refering. I'd been classified as a sheeple because I did something other people were doing and I didn't like it either. I apologize if my choice of words was unfortunate. I'm not making another post because Calculon said get back to topic and he's right, so I edited in here. Other people looking just to see any movie because it's something to do will be the majority of the ticket sales, just because of numbers.
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