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Old April 21 2013, 01:38 AM   #166
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Re: Brannon Braga: Not a Diane Carey Fan?

^ That's OK. The Department of Expanded Continuity's versions of Dulmer and Lucsly will be around to chat with you about your upgrade to Status A. After the requisite fees and honorariums are met, of course.
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Old April 21 2013, 02:52 AM   #167
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What about my Canon Application fees? Can I get a refund from the Department of Expanded Continuity, New York Branch?
Your payments were non-canon, therefore do not count and obviously then cannot be refunded.

Sorry.
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Old April 21 2013, 07:51 AM   #168
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Is Paula Block still with CBS Consumer Products? I think I remember reading something about her no longer being involved with the Trek tie-ins.
Paula left several years ago, but has written, with husband Terry Erdmann, the "Star Trek 101", "TOS 365" and "TNG 365" books since then. John Van Citters is the main ST person at CBS Consumer Products these days.
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Old April 21 2013, 09:56 PM   #169
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Re: Brannon Braga: Not a Diane Carey Fan?

Dug out my copy of Broken Bow.

p. 26 wrote:
"Three days. That's all I need."
Okay, everybody always said "Three days," so Archer had picked it out of a hat, hoping they'd think it had a good ring.
p. 26 wrote:
Forrest waited until they were gone, then winked at Leonard and spoke to Archer. "I had a feeling their approach wouldn't sit too well with you, John. Don't screw this up."
Archer restrained his comment. The last part must be meant as a joke, because nobody would say it to a captain and be serious.
p. 42 wrote:
Archer managed not to groan at her [Hoshi's] flimsy excuse. "You've got to have someone who can cover for you." He avoided commenting that it was just a foreign language class and she might have to rearrange her priorities to a more galactic mentality. No, probably not the thing to say right now.
p. 64 wrote:
"Intriguing," Phlox said. Already the word was trite. Aliens always said intriguing when they didn't know what else to say. [...] "I especially liked the Chinese food. Have you ever tried it?"
[...]Archer shrugged. "I've lived in San Francisco all my life."
Of course, San Francisco had a Chinese restaurant on every third corner, just like any other American city, but he sensed Phlox wanted to have something on him.
In that case, I think Carey is misreading the script. I interpreted that line as meaning "Of course I have" but she seems to be rationalizing Archer saying he hasn't.
pp.67-8 wrote:
"You know that firsthand?"
"Firsthand, secondhand, and thirdhand."
Uh-huh, sailor stories already. Tucker offered a shrug and made no further comment about their slipping back into a pointlessly prepubescent moment.
p. 69 wrote:
"Vulcans don't touch food with their hands."
Where had she made up that one? Archer had seen, with his own eyes, Ambassador Soval eating finger food at a reception.
p. 71 wrote:
At this special moment in their relationship, T'Pol succeeded in snapping the breadstick with a rather tidy final cut. She slid the piece onto her fork. "With proper discipline, anything's possible."
She then ate the piece, as if that were really something worth showing off.
Archer managed not to groan.
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Old April 21 2013, 10:15 PM   #170
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Re: Brannon Braga: Not a Diane Carey Fan?

Those are hilarious
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Old April 21 2013, 11:17 PM   #171
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Ouch!
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Old April 21 2013, 11:45 PM   #172
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That's fantastic.
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Old April 22 2013, 12:13 AM   #173
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The ones with T'Pol are good, because they actually add some insight, but the rest are totally something I'd sack the writer for if I were the one paying him/her to do a novelization.
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Old April 22 2013, 01:14 AM   #174
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To add to Steve Mollmann's extensive list, here is the one I remember, Kindle version so I'm not sure of the page number:

“How can you be so damned sure what our sensors can do?”

“Vulcan children play with toys that are more sophisticated.”

Tucker stopped what he was doing and took a moment to reflect on this, which was just a plain fake-out. She knew better, and worse- she knew he knew better. Either she was playing, or enjoying another insult.
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Old April 22 2013, 03:16 AM   #175
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Re: Brannon Braga: Not a Diane Carey Fan?

Wow. What did she say about the Butterfly dancers with the tongues (as that was the example the that Braga brought up)?

I dug out my novelizations for Trials and Tribble-ations, The Way of the Warrior, the Dominion War arc and Flashback. I'll thumb through them and try and see if I can find similar examples in these other novelizations.
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Old April 22 2013, 03:30 AM   #176
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Wow. What did she say about the Butterfly dancers with the tongues (as that was the example the that Braga brought up)?
Here it is, pay particular close attention to the last paragraph:

As he and Mayweather watched, rapt by the sight, the women squirmed closer to the lantern. One of them tipped back her head and emitted an eight-inch tongue that snared one of the butterflies.

An instant later, the second woman did the same. Were they competing?

Only now did Reed and Mayweather realize they had been joined by a gathering of other spectators to watch the butterfly dance. The crowd seemed to run the course from arousal to disgust. Rather familiar, at the moment, Reed noted.

Ah, yes, a brothel. What a shock. If he had been sketching out the most stereotypical mecca in all literature, this would be at its center. Didn’t anyone do anything subtle anymore?
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Old April 22 2013, 04:09 AM   #177
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Yeah, that one is great. I also like what she caps the scene with a couple pages later:
p. 113 wrote:
Reed stifled a groan and avoided mentioning that he couldn't believe it either, and he didn't want to tell this story. Perhaps he could make something up that would be more interesting to hear about and less trite in the telling.
A few more, while I have the book out:
p. 96 wrote:
"Rigel," she finally began, "is a planetary system approximately fifteen light-years from our present position."
Tucker watched and held his breath. Of course, Earth had known about the blue giant Rigel for generations, and other stars like Altair and Arcturus, but this was the first he'd heard of settled planets there.
pp. 107-08 wrote:
"It's all right," she [Hoshi] said. "Rigelian uses a pronomial base. The translator's just reprocessing the syntax."
Who cared? Archer avoided telling her nobody was interested in how it did what it was doing [...]
Carey usually seems to bring out Archer's inner jerk with her monologue.

p. 122 wrote:
Oh, brother. This dame [Sarin, the good Suliban woman] had seen too many steamy movies. She had the sticky dialogue down pat, not to mention the unoriginal seductive stare and liquid lips. What did they take him for?
There are some good touches: small errors make the rush launch of the NX-01 a little rougher than it needs to be, which makes Archer and Trip paranoid about internal sabotage, shaping their attitude toward T'Pol. And later, they theorize that Forrest and Soval collaborated in placing T'Pol on the NX-01 as an experiment in seeing how a Vulcan would work with humans over a protracted period of time.
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Old April 22 2013, 05:12 AM   #178
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Wow, I can't believe those were actually in the published book. I could see some of them being snuck through in a more subtle form, but there is no subtlety there at all.
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Old April 22 2013, 08:08 AM   #179
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I had forgotten all of that. I remember reading it and was shocked at the snarkiness of it. It kind of annoyed me as Broken Bow is my favorite of the modern Trek pilots. At least it wasn't as annoying as Red Sector though...that book was complete trash.
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Old April 22 2013, 01:29 PM   #180
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Gotta say, that breadstick one was pretty awesome. Everything else was asinine, but got to give her credit for that one. I thought something along the same lines when I saw that scene.
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