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Old April 21 2013, 04:05 AM   #31
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Re: Kirk Enterprise - the Enterprise(a)?

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...April's Enterprise likely launched a decade early (2235), looking pretty much as Tobias Richter kitbashed her (check out the bottom three pics in the link):

http://www.startrek.pl/article.php?sid=680
All I see at that link are three vids of the Kelvin. No pictures at all. Not of an Enterprise, not of any ship.
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Old April 21 2013, 04:16 AM   #32
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...April's Enterprise likely launched a decade early (2235), looking pretty much as Tobias Richter kitbashed her (check out the bottom three pics in the link):

http://www.startrek.pl/article.php?sid=680
All I see at that link are three vids of the Kelvin. No pictures at all. Not of an Enterprise, not of any ship.
If you scroll past the videos on that page, there are indeed one, two, three images.
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Old April 21 2013, 05:10 AM   #33
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Re: Kirk Enterprise - the Enterprise(a)?

M'Sharak wrote: View Post
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...April's Enterprise likely launched a decade early (2235), looking pretty much as Tobias Richter kitbashed her (check out the bottom three pics in the link):

http://www.startrek.pl/article.php?sid=680
All I see at that link are three vids of the Kelvin. No pictures at all. Not of an Enterprise, not of any ship.
If you scroll past the videos on that page, there are indeed one, two, three images.
Actually, all I get are the three vids also...

Must be something about ie9 that blocks them.
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Old April 21 2013, 06:06 AM   #34
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Re: Kirk Enterprise - the Enterprise(a)?

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All I see at that link are three vids of the Kelvin. No pictures at all. Not of an Enterprise, not of any ship.
If you scroll past the videos on that page, there are indeed one, two, three images.
Actually, all I get are the three vids also...

Must be something about ie9 that blocks them.
Hmm, they're just .jpg files hosted on Photobucket - nothing out of the ordinary about them. Maybe IE9 doesn't get along well with older-style html page coding. Are the images visible when you click on my links above?
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Old April 21 2013, 04:50 PM   #35
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If you scroll past the videos on that page, there are indeed one, two, three images.
Actually, all I get are the three vids also...

Must be something about ie9 that blocks them.
Hmm, they're just .jpg files hosted on Photobucket - nothing out of the ordinary about them. Maybe IE9 doesn't get along well with older-style html page coding. Are the images visible when you click on my links above?
Yeppers.
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Old April 21 2013, 07:01 PM   #36
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On ST:TMP, Captain Decker had said; All those vessels were call Enterprise. Were, is a past tense word. Meaning that the Constitution class looking starship in the picture is not the same Enterprise as the one they are on, but a different ship.
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Old April 21 2013, 10:45 PM   #37
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On ST:TMP, Captain Decker had said; All those vessels were call Enterprise. Were, is a past tense word. Meaning that the Constitution class looking starship in the picture is not the same Enterprise as the one they are on, but a different ship.
Never heard that line of thought before. The Connie on display is just showing the 1701 before her refit.
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Old April 21 2013, 11:27 PM   #38
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On ST:TMP, Captain Decker had said; All those vessels were call Enterprise. Were, is a past tense word. Meaning that the Constitution class looking starship in the picture is not the same Enterprise as the one they are on, but a different ship.
Never heard that line of thought before. The Connie on display is just showing the 1701 before her refit.
I think from Decker's perspective, the Enterprise is a new ship after the refit.
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Old April 21 2013, 11:53 PM   #39
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Re: Kirk Enterprise - the Enterprise(a)?

^ Yeah, in another scene he says that it's "an almost totally new Enterprise". So in a sense, yenny is correct. It's the same ship, but it's also not.

Like I said - it's the Ship of Theseus!
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Old April 22 2013, 12:17 AM   #40
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On ST:TMP, Captain Decker had said; All those vessels were call Enterprise. Were, is a past tense word. Meaning that the Constitution class looking starship in the picture is not the same Enterprise as the one they are on, but a different ship.

I think from Decker's perspective, the Enterprise is a new ship after the refit.
I don't think so. They would had the photo of the before refit Enterprise separate from the pass Enterprises; And also Decker would had knew that the before refit Enterprise and the ship he is on are the same ships. Also, those who had put those photos on the Rec wall, would had know as well; And they would never had put a photo of a existing starship with past starships of the same name, regardless it had been refitted or not next to one another. They would had ben separate from each other, on different walls.

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On ST:TMP, Captain Decker had said; All those vessels were call Enterprise. Were, is a past tense word. Meaning that the Constitution class looking starship in the picture is not the same Enterprise as the one they are on, but a different ship.
Never heard that line of thought before. The Connie on display is just showing the 1701 before her refit.
Maybe, but I don't think so. It could easily just as well be another Connie name Enterprise.

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Old April 22 2013, 12:38 AM   #41
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I think from Decker's perspective, the Enterprise is a new ship after the refit.
I don't think so. They would had the photo of the before refit Enterprise separate from the pass Enterprises; And also Decker would had knew that the before refit Enterprise and the ship he is on are the same ships. Also, those who had put those photos on the Rec wall, would had know as well; And they would never had put a photo of a existing starship with past starships of the same name, regardless it had been refitted or not next to one another. They would had ben separate from each other, on different walls.

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Never heard that line of thought before. The Connie on display is just showing the 1701 before her refit.
Maybe, but I don't think so. It could easily just as well be another Connie name Enterprise.
Actually they probably would. In TNG and Enterprise, the displays of "Ships Named Enterprise" always included the current version. So it's likely they just stuck the pre-refit configuration of the 1701 on the monitors for the same reason. Or them being monitors, they just scroll through the history of ships named Enterprise as a screensaver.
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Old April 22 2013, 03:37 AM   #42
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On ST:TMP, Captain Decker had said; All those vessels were call Enterprise. Were, is a past tense word. Meaning that the Constitution class looking starship in the picture is not the same Enterprise as the one they are on, but a different ship.
I believe you are the first person ever to speculate that the TOS Enterprise NCC-1701 and the TMP Enterprise NCC-1701 are two totally different ships, when the creators of TMP, the producers of Trek since then, and all fandom since has agreed that one was a refit of the other...simply because of Decker's (ambiguous?) choice of words?
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On ST:TMP, Captain Decker had said; All those vessels were call Enterprise. Were, is a past tense word. Meaning that the Constitution class looking starship in the picture is not the same Enterprise as the one they are on, but a different ship.
I believe you are the first person ever to speculate that the TOS Enterprise NCC-1701 and the TMP Enterprise NCC-1701 are two totally different ships, when the creators of TMP, the producers of Trek since then, and all fandom since has agreed that one was a refit of the other...simply because of Decker's (ambiguous?) choice of words?
Scotty makes it's clear on the trip over: 18 months redesigning and refitting the Enterprise.
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Old April 22 2013, 04:43 AM   #44
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On ST:TMP, Captain Decker had said; All those vessels were call Enterprise. Were, is a past tense word. Meaning that the Constitution class looking starship in the picture is not the same Enterprise as the one they are on, but a different ship.
I believe you are the first person ever to speculate that the TOS Enterprise NCC-1701 and the TMP Enterprise NCC-1701 are two totally different ships, when the creators of TMP, the producers of Trek since then, and all fandom since has agreed that one was a refit of the other...simply because of Decker's (ambiguous?) choice of words?
I didn't say that the TOS Enterprise NCC-1701 and the TMP Enterprise are different ships. I had said that the TOS/TMP Enterprise were a different ship of the Connie that was in the photo.
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So if I'm understanding you correctly now, are you implying that there was another TOS Connie Enterprise before Kirk's TOS Connie Enterprise? That's even more unlikely.
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