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Old April 21 2013, 01:03 PM   #16
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Re: Should the Doctor get a Tricorder? Oh wait, he has one apparently

Hasn't it been pointed out at least twice* in NuWho that the magic wand he calls a "screwdriver" isn't a screwdriver at all?






*By the Daleks in "Doomsday" and by the paradox Amy in "The Girl Who Waited"
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Old April 21 2013, 01:17 PM   #17
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^Plus all the posters on the walls at Demon's Run: "Remember, it isn't Sonic, and it isn't a Screwdriver."

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He's able to gain so much information from just waving that sucker around. Is it maybe sending the info into his brain telepathically?
In 'Let's Kill Hitler' Amy tells Rory it has a psychic interface.
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Old April 21 2013, 01:37 PM   #18
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As I recall, RTD's rule with the sonic screwdriver was that it can do anything except solve the plot, and throughout his run that was pretty much adhered to. And so far, through out Moffat's run it's being adhered to as well. That is the entire episode isn't solved simply by the Doctor showing up waving the sonic around declaring "all done" and then a bombastic version of "I am the Doctor" plays.

Compare that with the tricorders. How many times do Star Trek episodes (particularly the TNG-Voyager period) get resolved simply by fiddling with a tricorder, spewing technobabble, and then all is good accompanied by a bland one note piece of music because Rick Berman hates music?
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Old April 21 2013, 05:14 PM   #19
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This is all leading up to the reveal of the Doctor's true name: Doctor Screw.
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Old April 21 2013, 05:41 PM   #20
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I didn't mind it in Akathen (no world has been more often misspelled than this in DW).
They clearly said that technology there was sound based, so the screwdriver didn't so much hold open a massive door but interacted with the mechanism behind it.

When he uses it as a scanner it irritates me more.
Interestingly enough the doctor USED to have a tricorder like device.
They should update that and then they have two toys to sell.

They don't even have to get technical about it. Just throw together some gizmo, call it timey-whimey dectector that goes DING! when there's stuff and be done with it.
Or we could just have better writers who are more creative.

If they did bring in a second gadget however, I'd like them to bring back the "sonic dracger" or whatever the sixth doctor used in attack of the cybermen (not sure if he had it in other episodes, but that's the only one I remember it in.).

While we're on the topic, I wouldn't mind seeing them redsign the sonic screwdriver either. I'd like a mix of Paul McGann's 2010 redesign one and the clasic one.
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Old April 21 2013, 05:53 PM   #21
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Interestingly enough the doctor USED to have a tricorder like device.
Really? I don't remember that at all.
The only thing I can think of even remotely like that is the curiously designed Geiger counter the Doctor uses in Ghost Light.
I'm getting old, I can not brain any more.
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Old April 21 2013, 06:46 PM   #22
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This is all leading up to the reveal of the Doctor's true name: Doctor Screw.
Too late:

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Old April 21 2013, 08:36 PM   #23
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Interestingly enough the doctor USED to have a tricorder like device.
Really? I don't remember that at all.
The only thing I can think of even remotely like that is the curiously designed Geiger counter the Doctor uses in Ghost Light.
I'm getting old, I can not brain any more.
I watched a bunch of Sixth Doctor episodes recently and saw it there, can't point you to a specific episode unfortunately.
Could have been very well be the device Green Lantern mentioned.
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Old April 21 2013, 11:15 PM   #24
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I love that it came back in the new series, but I agree it's way overused now. I don't think it can be rested (because it's obvious that he can just get another one from the TARDIS) but it does need to be reined back.
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Old April 22 2013, 05:43 AM   #25
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Re: Should the Doctor get a Tricorder? Oh wait, he has one apparently

I'm fine with it. It makes sense that a 1000-year-old time traveling alien would have technology we don't recognize or understand. It also makes sense that he'd spend time developing better and better models over time.

Over the years, he's wandered around with all sorts of crudely cobbled-together devices. Why not put the best of those into one omnipresent package?

Twenty years ago, I had a bulky cellphone. No one is complaining because now I can take pictures with my latest version. And remotely control other computers. And access the Internet. And predict the weather. And control my TV. And detect radiation.

If anything, the Doctor needs to add holographic communications to the tool and hand out copies to each of his companions.
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Old April 22 2013, 06:16 AM   #26
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I always thought it'd be funny if in a multi-doc story, 11 scans something and looks at the screwdriver, the other doc grabs it and exclaims "What are you looking at? There's nothing there but a green line!" 11 takes it back and says "well no, but it looks cool."
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Old April 24 2013, 04:23 AM   #27
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Twenty years ago, I had a bulky cellphone. No one is complaining because now I can take pictures with my latest version. And remotely control other computers. And access the Internet. And predict the weather. And control my TV. And detect radiation.
Exactly. It's his multitool, it does what it needs to do to move the plot along but not actually solve it. Hold open a door? Scan an area? Put up a shelf? It does what it needs to do. Who cares that we don't understand how he reads it? Psychic interface works for me if you like.
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Old April 24 2013, 05:08 AM   #28
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I've been watching a lot of 3rd Doctor episodes lately and it's funny because it will only open electronic locks not mechanical ones which seems entirely backwards to me.
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Old April 24 2013, 05:43 AM   #29
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It is absolutely ridiculous that he reads the screwdriver as if there is some kind of screen on it. It is also ridiculous that a screwdriver has sensors and, well, other tricorder like functions.

Most ridiculous of all is that the story never needs the screwdriver to do these things. It is easily written around with the same result obtained.

I loved the sonic screwdriver as an aesthetic; a way to have the Doctor appear high-tech and other-worldly when in fact all he is doing in the story is opening or closing something, or turning something on and off.

The screwdriver should be should be used just for that: make things lock and unlock, turn on and off, the end.
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Old April 24 2013, 01:05 PM   #30
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I've never had a problem with "overuse." If there was an episode where he put it in his pocket and pulled out a different device to scan, it would not be any better.

Sure, the sixth Doctor didn't have a screwdriver... but when the plot required him to open a locked drawer in The Trial of a Time Lord, he just pulled a different lock-opening device out of his pocket and used it.

It did get hilarious in the later Tennant era how many things could be "deadlock sealed" in order to slow the screwdriver down....
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