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Old April 19 2013, 07:24 PM   #16
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Re: New Zealand legalises same-sex marriage

I always thought Australia had gay marriage (or civil partnerships). Strange. Its pretty proud of its gay history - its pride festival is a major tourist draw and featured in its opening Olympics ceremony (I think). But yay for NZ!
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Old April 19 2013, 07:32 PM   #17
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Old April 19 2013, 07:32 PM   #18
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Good. Now the homoerotic bed-jumping scene at the end of LOTR is slightly less awkward.
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Old April 20 2013, 10:13 AM   #19
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Re: New Zealand legalises same-sex marriage

Congratulations, New Zealand. You set a great example.

Same-sex marriage has been legal in my State for a while, and in several other States, but not the entire country; hopefully, the Supreme Court will fix that in June, just as they did for so-called interracial marriage back in 1967.

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Old April 20 2013, 12:44 PM   #20
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Re: New Zealand legalises same-sex marriage

I'm so happy for New Zealand but this is a major embarrassment for Australia where we like to think we are "ahead" of New Zealand (even though they are technically ahead of us as far as Time Zones go, hehe).

I still can't fathom why Julia Gillard (our left wing Prime Minister) doesn't support gay marriage. It makes no sense at all, I can only think she's pandering to religious groups.

Meanwhile we keep hearing rumblings that Liberal Party (conservative) leader Tony Abbott may eventually allow a conscience vote by his party on Gay Marriage should the issue rise again in Parliament. With several State leaders now for it and popular opinion definitely for it, I would hope we might see it realised after the next Election, which is already set for September 14.
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Old April 20 2013, 01:00 PM   #21
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Re: New Zealand legalises same-sex marriage

I think NZ has been ahead of us several times - they had a female PM ahead of us, they had a female GG before us, they took a stand on nuclear powered ships when we didn't.

I am also perplexed by Gilliard's stand on gay marriage. You would think that being an atheist living with a man she isn't married to should have already turned the more devout Christians against her so why should it matter that much if she alienates them further by supporting gay marriage.
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Old April 20 2013, 02:15 PM   #22
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Re: New Zealand legalises same-sex marriage

Well as I said in some other thread a labor party guy told me she needs the support of the Catholic backed unions who have traditionally voted labor.
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Old April 20 2013, 11:10 PM   #23
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Re: New Zealand legalises same-sex marriage

And of course, as everyone knows all Catholics - every last one of us, everywhere - is against same-sex marriage.



Gillard's stance is bewildering, and her comment last year that her own relationship proves people can have a "relationship of love and commitment and trust and understanding that doesn't need a marriage certificate associated with it" was particularly insensitive and thoughtless.

The fact so many state political leaders on all sides are in favour is good, but not good enough.
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Old April 21 2013, 02:04 AM   #24
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Re: New Zealand legalises same-sex marriage

well, catholicism + unions doesn't scream tolerance and progressiveness to me
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Old April 21 2013, 04:44 AM   #25
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Gillard is also heavy supported by the Labor right, which would be more inclined to favour a status quo on marriage rights.

As for Abbott, I doubt he'll allow a conscious vote before the next election. Politically he has nothing to gain from one. His current stand saw little movement in the polls last time there was a vote and given the huge margin the Coalition has they can take a hit if it comes. Not to mention that it would deny the Labor government something new to their "legacy".

Anyway, good on the NZ government for doing the right thing.
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Old April 21 2013, 09:38 AM   #26
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Re: New Zealand legalises same-sex marriage

So sad to hear

I guess they gave in, I fear this will happen in the US soon enough.

Not many places left in the world that hold up the values of marriage anymore.
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Old April 21 2013, 10:25 AM   #27
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Re: New Zealand legalises same-sex marriage

Luckily, more and more that protect the values of freedom and equal rights.
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Old April 21 2013, 10:26 AM   #28
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I think allowing gay marriage strengthens the values of marriage. It is encouraging a group of people, who haven't been able in the past to show how committed they are to the person they love the most, to make the strongest commitment available.
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Old April 21 2013, 11:11 AM   #29
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So sad to hear

I guess they gave in, I fear this will happen in the US soon enough.

Not many places left in the world that hold up the values of marriage anymore.
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Old April 21 2013, 11:26 AM   #30
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So sad to hear

I guess they gave in, I fear this will happen in the US soon enough.

Not many places left in the world that hold up the values of marriage anymore.
The values being love and fidelity? Or the values being all about your genitals?
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