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Old April 20 2013, 08:38 PM   #76
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Re: What is "canon?"

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There's a street to cross? Do I have to renounce one to like the other? Sounds like religion to me. And all this time I thought I was just watching TV and movies.
Exactly, I don't get this talk of people "bailing" and becoming Star Wars fans or whatever, as if you can only be one or the other. I've been a Star Trek fan for as long as I can remember, a Star Wars fan since 1977 and a Doctor Who fan since around 1987. All at the same time. Does that make me some kind of heretic?
Yes. But you're in good company.
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Old April 20 2013, 08:39 PM   #77
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If you were introduced to Star MAPS in 1980 instead of Star Charts, you'd have a different opinion of them!

And this is coming from...an Andorian? That's Epsilon Indii VII, not a planet orbiting Procyon! See, it's these little things which hurt the most...
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Old April 20 2013, 08:40 PM   #78
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Re: What is "canon?"

What I'd like to hear from people is not what they think canon is, but why it matters -to them-. So what if a novel they liked isn't "official". Does it matter?
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Old April 20 2013, 08:45 PM   #79
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Re: What is "canon?"

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What I'd like to hear from people is not what they think canon is, but why it matters -to them-. So what if a novel they liked isn't "official". Does it matter?
Not to me. Its all make believe. It only matters what I like and what entertains me.
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Old April 20 2013, 08:47 PM   #80
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They do 'Treknical' stuff all the time over in Fan Art, there's the Starfleet Museum website. Not to mention numerous fan films that continue to get made without interference from CBS.

As far as being a fan, I'm a fan because I like Star Trek, I'm not going to go be a fan of another franchise because I disagree with some of the decisions of CBS/Paramount. If people are that easily swayed, they likely weren't really fans to begin with.
As soon as Fan Art hits the printers and is sold at cons--Paramount's Death Soldiers will start marching! They Police this stuff, that's what happened to zine sales at cons...

There's actually another breed of fan alive today, sparked By today's greedy attitudes... These are the humanoids who only think of buying Trek merchandise because it will go up in value and they'll be able to re-sell it and make a profit on it... Doesn't matter what it is, it's just $$$ to them... So it's no wonder that people will wait hours to Pay actors for their autographs if it means in turn making a profit... Not all Ferengi have big ears...



And regarding this:

"Canon is only important to certain people because they have to cling to their knowledge of the minutiae. Open your mind! Be a Star Trek fan and open your mind and say, 'Where does Star Trek want to take me now'." - Leonard Nimoy

That sounds like a sales pitch for Abrams' movie/s!
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Old April 20 2013, 08:54 PM   #81
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As soon as Fan Art hits the printers and is sold at cons--Paramount's Death Soldiers will start marching! They Police this stuff, that's what happened to zine sales at cons...
And the problem is?

Companies pay CBS good money for the licenses to the Star Trek property and it's CBS' job to protect the market.

The tech fans are free to continue they just can't sell their work.
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Old April 20 2013, 08:55 PM   #82
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What's with the random capitalization and ... ?
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Old April 20 2013, 09:02 PM   #83
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They do 'Treknical' stuff all the time over in Fan Art, there's the Starfleet Museum website. Not to mention numerous fan films that continue to get made without interference from CBS.
As soon as Fan Art hits the printers and is sold at cons--Paramount's Death Soldiers will start marching!
You do understand the difference, don't you?

Edited to add: Oops! BillJ beat me to the point.
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Old April 20 2013, 09:36 PM   #84
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What I'd like to hear from people is not what they think canon is, but why it matters -to them-. So what if a novel they liked isn't "official". Does it matter?

As nearly as I can tell, they want to know if it's "really" part of the overall story/universe or if subsequent stories are free to ignore it. If the latter, why waste time reading it, no matter how enjoyable and/or entertaining it might be on its own terms?

I don't quite get it, but that seems to be the attitude.
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Old April 20 2013, 09:56 PM   #85
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I take All of Star Trek in as a vast multiverse of Treks. Some things fit better than others.
I think you took the long way 'round to just saying, you take everything at face value whether it fits or contradicts. I don't happen to agree with that POV, but it is no more or less valid than my opinion.

I am old-school on "canon" - pretty much the TV and films. As for novels, only the adaptions of those TV and film offerings.

Too much goofiness in too many of the non-adaption books with too little oversight in "canonical" details. I mean there is nothing in "Black Fire" I would want to embrace as "canon."
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Old April 20 2013, 10:26 PM   #86
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I read the books and I watch the TV series/movies. All I want to be is entertained. If they don't agree with each other, no big deal. If Joe Fan wants to hock his fanzine at a con, I don't care, I wouldn't buy it anyway. The "official" stuff makes for good reference and usually avoids editorializing.
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Old April 20 2013, 10:44 PM   #87
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I read the books and I watch the TV series/movies. All I want to be is entertained.
This.
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Old April 20 2013, 10:52 PM   #88
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I read the books and I watch the TV series/movies. All I want to be is entertained.
This.
Yup, this. I just want a good story. If it meshes, great, if not, no big deal - I can take it as a stand-alone.
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Old April 20 2013, 11:12 PM   #89
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There's a street to cross? Do I have to renounce one to like the other? Sounds like religion to me. And all this time I thought I was just watching TV and movies.
Exactly, I don't get this talk of people "bailing" and becoming Star Wars fans or whatever, as if you can only be one or the other. I've been a Star Trek fan for as long as I can remember, a Star Wars fan since 1977 and a Doctor Who fan since around 1987. All at the same time. Does that make me some kind of heretic?
Yes. But you're in good company.
I suspect that the Star Wars vs. Star Trek rivalry is largely a myth. Most science fiction fans have probably enjoyed a fair amount of both, as well as ample amounts of Planet of the Apes, Terminator, Aliens, The Matrix, and probably Harry Potter as well.

They're not sports teams. You don't have to root for one against the other.
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Old April 20 2013, 11:21 PM   #90
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Too much goofiness in too many of the non-adaption books with too little oversight in "canonical" details. I mean there is nothing in "Black Fire" I would want to embrace as "canon."
I thought Black Fire was fun.

Doubly awesome was McCoy's parody in Prime Directive - "Black Ire"
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