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Old April 20 2013, 02:19 PM   #31
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

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Reality TV is just a smart way to make dumb TV without having to hire dumb writers to write dumb stories.
I wouldn't be too sure of that. I've long believed that there is literally no such thing as true "reality" TV. It's as scripted, pre-planned and rigged as any scripted show. How could it not be? All TV is concerned with ratings, and reality doesn't always deliver ratings. So reality TV must, logically, be rigged.

The only true reality shows are game shows, sports broadcasts (well, ones that aren't pro wrestling anyway) and shows like Cops and Disorderly Conduct, which literally just put video cameras in police cars which follow the officers around. That's the only way there can be actual reality TV that isn't scripted and pre-written.
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Old April 20 2013, 02:27 PM   #32
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

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The Sopranos: Cancelled a decade ago.
The Wire: Cancelled a decade ago.
Enlightened: Cancelled 5 minutes ago.
Girls: Self Indulgent.
Justified: Meh?
The Shield: Cancelled a decade ago.
A show finishing its run and being cancelled are entirely different. Deadwood was cancelled, Sopranos simply finished.
I think his point was that most of the shows cited above to "prove" current TV is more intelligent than ever are either no longer in production or, in the case of "Girls" wildly overrated.

Better examples might have been: Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Venture Brothers, Game of Thrones, Boardwalk Empire, Homeland, Southland and Sherlock
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Old April 20 2013, 02:29 PM   #33
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

The only true reality shows are game shows, sports broadcasts (well, ones that aren't pro wrestling anyway) and shows like Cops and Disorderly Conduct, which literally just put video cameras in police cars which follow the officers around. That's the only way there can be actual reality TV that isn't scripted and pre-written.
And even some of those can be selectively edited and/or narrated.
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Old April 20 2013, 02:32 PM   #34
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

^ Well, yeah, but at least they're not completely written in advance.

Again, how could "reality TV" NOT be prewritten in this way? They have to deliver ratings like any other show does. If reality doesn't deliver ratings, how can they air it? Think about it.
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Old April 20 2013, 02:40 PM   #35
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Not only is it pre-written; they also do take after take to make sure they get the pre-scripted shot.
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Old April 20 2013, 02:44 PM   #36
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The only true reality shows are game shows, sports broadcasts (well, ones that aren't pro wrestling anyway) and shows like Cops and Disorderly Conduct, which literally just put video cameras in police cars which follow the officers around. That's the only way there can be actual reality TV that isn't scripted and pre-written.
And even some of those can be selectively edited and/or narrated.
Game shows are the 'exception to the rule'; they are strictly controlled because of past scandals.
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Old April 20 2013, 02:49 PM   #37
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

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Not only is it pre-written; they also do take after take to make sure they get the pre-scripted shot.
And yet, so banal.
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Old April 20 2013, 03:09 PM   #38
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Not only is it pre-written; they also do take after take to make sure they get the pre-scripted shot.
And yet, so banal.
Truthfully, it is what sells; I think the T&A shots are damaging to girls/women but it is where we are as a society
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Old April 20 2013, 03:11 PM   #39
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The only true reality shows are game shows, sports broadcasts (well, ones that aren't pro wrestling anyway) and shows like Cops and Disorderly Conduct, which literally just put video cameras in police cars which follow the officers around. That's the only way there can be actual reality TV that isn't scripted and pre-written.
Also the news. Can't get more "reality" than the news.
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Old April 20 2013, 03:27 PM   #40
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

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Or is TV only getting dumber because we're getting dumber?
Bingo.

And no, this is not a new thing by any stretch of the imagination. It's been going on for ten or twelve years now.
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Old April 20 2013, 03:31 PM   #41
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

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Can't get more "reality" than the news.
Sadly, decent news reporting isn't what it used to be.

Put it this way: The song "Dirty Laundry" was written 30 years ago. It's a lot worse now.
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Old April 20 2013, 03:32 PM   #42
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

the G-man wrote: View Post
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The Sopranos: Cancelled a decade ago.
The Wire: Cancelled a decade ago.
Enlightened: Cancelled 5 minutes ago.
Girls: Self Indulgent.
Justified: Meh?
The Shield: Cancelled a decade ago.
A show finishing its run and being cancelled are entirely different. Deadwood was cancelled, Sopranos simply finished.
I think his point was that most of the shows cited above to "prove" current TV is more intelligent than ever are either no longer in production or, in the case of "Girls" wildly overrated.

Better examples might have been: Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Venture Brothers, Game of Thrones, Boardwalk Empire, Homeland, Southland and Sherlock
Since Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones and Homeland are unfinished serials, no one knows yet whether these will be artistically successful. Trying to judge a story without knowing its end is absurd. Sepinwall tries to ignore that multiple failures in serialized stories in his book. Naturally he only succeeds in making himself look a fool.

Why don't these lists always include Twin Peaks, St. Elsewhere, Roseanne, Lost, Heroes, BattleStar Galactica? To put it another way, why don't people still include Dexter or Revenge on such lists?
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Old April 20 2013, 03:59 PM   #43
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

Yes, twas Honey Boo Boo that slew intelligent television.
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Old April 20 2013, 05:01 PM   #44
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

Apparently free TV has indeed lost quite a bit of "intelligence" but why? It's the age old question of the chicken and the egg meaning did the TV networks start with dumb shows and people liked them or were people always this dumb and TV only found out in the last years?

Fact is good shows usually cost much money.. good actors, good writers, sets etc and it's not guaranteed to be successful (my best example is Firefly). TV networks are are a business and like all businesses they don't like risks and this industry is far more risky than a food or clothing industries so they turn to safe products which are cheaper and that's reality TV.

If you want challenging shows that need your undivided attention and a little bit of effort to follow them then you need to turn to pay TV, i.e. HBO and all the others where you can still get quality TV.

With the whole media landscape in flux due to internet technologies and changed viewer habits you may need to look a bit harder to find some intelligent programming but it'll always be available.
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Old April 20 2013, 05:42 PM   #45
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

The only reason television shows even exist is to deliver ads. That alone should tell you why they're generally so stupid.
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