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Old April 12 2013, 04:25 PM   #91
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Re: Why is DC so far behind Marvel in terms of movies?

^Well, the problem with Smallville was that its creators probably never expected it to run more than 5-6 seasons, so as it kept getting renewed over and over again, they had to stretch it out and bring in more and more elements from the comics and from Clark's adult life, thus bringing it closer and closer to being an actual Superman series -- but they still insisted on maintaining the original conceit of being about Clark's life before he became Superman, so it got increasingly labored. I and plenty of other people felt that they should've just renamed it Metropolis and made it a straight-up Superman show, a sequel to Smallville rather than just more seasons thereof, but there was too much resistance from within. (I have the impression that Welling refused to wear the tights, which is reinforced by the fact that we never got a full shot of him in costume even in the series finale.)
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Old April 12 2013, 05:16 PM   #92
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It's a shame. I think renaming it Metropolis and having new stories with him as Superman would have been a good route to go.
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Old April 12 2013, 06:26 PM   #93
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^Well, in effect that's what they were doing in the last 2-3 seasons. Clark was an active costumed superhero leading a community of heroes, and he worked at the Daily Planet with Lois Lane. The fact that he wasn't using the familiar name and costume and ran places rather than flying was rather a superficial difference, which is why it was so silly that they didn't just go ahead and make those changes.
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Old April 12 2013, 07:15 PM   #94
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I used to like Smallvile even though it was just Dawson Creek meets Superman, but I was kinda expecting and hoping they explore the prospect of realistic Superman, a grounded version of the character stripped away from most of the fanciful elements of his print versions. Sadly, even though it was a bold new take on the character it still retained the comic book elements. The show could be really corny, cheesy and overly melodramatic and actually I think there were moments in which they take a bit more effort to help me suspend my disbelief, but there was some good moments in there. Oh well, Man of Steel coming out this summer should fill that void and fulfill my wish for a real world Superman.

Anyone read the story Superman:Secret Identity?
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Old April 18 2013, 05:17 AM   #95
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Well the most recent Man of Steel trailer makes me think DC might be on the way back to being top dog in the movies.
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Old April 19 2013, 04:20 AM   #96
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Well, they might be improving, but I don't know if just the Dark Knight movies and this will be enough to dethrone Marvel quite yet. But it could be a step in the right direction at least.
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Old April 19 2013, 04:25 AM   #97
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^Well, the problem with Smallville was that its creators probably never expected it to run more than 5-6 seasons, so as it kept getting renewed over and over again, they had to stretch it out and bring in more and more elements from the comics and from Clark's adult life, thus bringing it closer and closer to being an actual Superman series -- but they still insisted on maintaining the original conceit of being about Clark's life before he became Superman, so it got increasingly labored. I and plenty of other people felt that they should've just renamed it Metropolis and made it a straight-up Superman show, a sequel to Smallville rather than just more seasons thereof, but there was too much resistance from within. (I have the impression that Welling refused to wear the tights, which is reinforced by the fact that we never got a full shot of him in costume even in the series finale.)

The creators of Smallville had no clue what they were doing and only enough story for 2-3 seasons, at best. Thankfully they left the show and it became a lot better with more comic references in it.

They should have continued it and just made it a Justice League show. But I guess Arrow is doing great on it's own and the JL movie, so it would be over kill.
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Old April 20 2013, 12:12 PM   #98
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Marvel has a plan. WB/DC doesn't
More than that, Marvel doesn't just say it has a plan (and then proceed to pull something cockamamey out of it's ass later), it really does/did have one from the get-go, and even better, a really good one.
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Old April 20 2013, 12:51 PM   #99
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Bendis and a couple others can lay put 5 year plans and stick to them.

That's because these are very talented writers, not because the Editors are working from scope, but that they have to get out of the way of these "artists" and if this process could work for any writer, there'd still have to be a massive amount of deserved faith in the writers who are asked to pitch a 5 or 10 year plan, who couldn't possibly follow through, and get cancelled after 7 issues.

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DC has Geoff Johns.

His Green lantern Story has been running for 10 years and it's quite possible that he ignored completely the New 52. He was unphased. Fuck you New 52, I'm busy, I'm in the middle of something IMPORTANT...

Geoff Johns' editors must feel like a pussies.

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Old April 20 2013, 01:14 PM   #100
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Actually it was cancelled for a variety of reasons, including the high budget it demanded, a bad timeslot that went up against stiff competition on NBC and FOX, and frequent pre-emptions by news reports. (I still remember how annoyed I was that half of the Bill Mumy episode was pre-empted by a half-hour of Dan Rather talking about the minor and ultimately harmless heart problem that then-president Bush had been hospitalized for that day. They cut to the news report at the worst possible moment, just after a gun had gone off between two wrestling characters and before we found out which one had been shot. It was pretty easy to guess, of course, but what an aggravating moment to pre-empt the show!)
Pre-empting, be it for news reports or sports events or messing around with timeslots has been the bane of potentially (or actually) good SF/Fantasy/etc tv shows finding an audience since forever.
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Old April 20 2013, 02:13 PM   #101
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Corwwyn wrote: View Post
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Marvel has a plan. WB/DC doesn't
More than that, Marvel doesn't just say it has a plan (and then proceed to pull something cockamamey out of it's ass later), it really does/did have one from the get-go
Although Battlestar Galactica has perhaps confused people on this point, that is the definition of a plan
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Old April 20 2013, 08:59 PM   #102
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DC has Geoff Johns.

His Green lantern Story has been running for 10 years and it's quite possible that he ignored completely the New 52. He was unphased. Fuck you New 52, I'm busy, I'm in the middle of something IMPORTANT...

Geoff Johns' editors must feel like a pussies.

Are you a lion tamer?

No sir, I'm a pussy.
Wouldn't Geoff Johns be his editor's boss? I know I wouldn't be eager to tell my boss he couldn't do something, even if that was technically what I was supposed to do.
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Old April 20 2013, 11:43 PM   #103
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"Chief Creative Officer" sounds like a made up job. Did they make up a job for Geoff to explain the graft to keep him standing in one place, that is going to be phased out after he finally leaves? Are editors "creative" or admin?
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