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Old April 20 2013, 02:59 AM   #46
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Given the back and forth we've had in the hull thread, I don't know that I'd consider the hull lines representative of the actual thickness at *any* particular point.
The deck plans and cutaways and such were never really meant to represent real-world construction schematics. The Illustrator line weights were chosen from an artistic standpoint only. Most everything I did in the deck plans was intended as an item locator, more like icons on a general diagram. I'd have to be paid a ton more money to make sure that an NN pt line actually measured out to some real number of feet or meters.

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Old April 20 2013, 06:01 AM   #47
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I hope we see the whole enchilada some day, looks nice Rick!
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Old April 20 2013, 10:34 AM   #48
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The deck plans and cutaways and such were never really meant to represent real-world construction schematics. The Illustrator line weights were chosen from an artistic standpoint only. Most everything I did in the deck plans was intended as an item locator, more like icons on a general diagram. I'd have to be paid a ton more money to make sure that an NN pt line actually measured out to some real number of feet or meters.

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Yeah, I had more or less assumed as much. I've been toying around with building Enterprise D in Blender just as a fun little architectural side project. Figured maybe I'd try to lay out the framing on the blueprints in Inkscape first, just to see if I could make it all fit... It's a bit of a trick interpreting the frame and hull thicknesses from the tech manual and trying to put together a mental picture of the cross-section. Thus far, I've concluded that determining the hull thickness is more or less a creative exercise. So be it - that's most of the fun, anyway.

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Old April 20 2013, 01:19 PM   #49
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Hi Rick - would a reasonable extrapolation of the thickness of the hull come from a combination of the view you provide (below) and observation of the thickness of the window frames from say, "Ten Forward" or the "briefing room" scenes from the show? Or are those rooms with windows just happen to have unusually thin hull sections?

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Old April 20 2013, 03:50 PM   #50
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Couldn't you use Q-Who to get a "guesstimate" of hull thickness? It looks like a few inches of hull backed by a foot or so of "stuff"...

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x16/qwho_hd_262.jpg
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Old April 20 2013, 05:39 PM   #51
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Couldn't you use Q-Who to get a "guesstimate" of hull thickness? It looks like a few inches of hull backed by a foot or so of "stuff"...

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x16/qwho_hd_262.jpg
I remember seeing this when I was a kid and it aired for the first time thinking, "Holy crap! the Borg just did that!"

Season 2, right? which means I musta been about eight years old? Funny what sticks with you over the years...

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Old April 20 2013, 06:15 PM   #52
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Yes, I remember being stunned by it as well, and impressed with the FX, nice work.
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Old April 20 2013, 06:19 PM   #53
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Couldn't you use Q-Who to get a "guesstimate" of hull thickness? It looks like a few inches of hull backed by a foot or so of "stuff"...

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x16/qwho_hd_262.jpg
Heh. How is it I don't remember that one? I know I was avidly watching by season two...

I think I've more or less concluded the hull thickness can wildly vary, and I don't even need TV show screncaps to defend that. There seems to be plenty of room in the tech manual description to interpret the hull thickness a variety of ways. In fact, the only real conclusion I feel comfortable with is that it can vary between a foot to four feet... (and perhaps even twice that) depending on what part of the hull you're looking at.

I'm itching to take a stab at laying out some framing members in Inkscape... After following Havoc92's build of the FJ plans (he did the bones last), I think it's probably the place to start after building the hull shell and breaking out the decks...

Personally, I think a 3D view of the skeletal structure alone would be pretty cool.
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Old April 20 2013, 10:01 PM   #54
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Couldn't you use Q-Who to get a "guesstimate" of hull thickness? It looks like a few inches of hull backed by a foot or so of "stuff"...

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x16/qwho_hd_262.jpg
That's beautiful HarryM. Excellent memory!

edit: Huh, is that like the 2nd time we've ever seen a toilet? (other than one from ST5?)...
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Old April 22 2013, 11:49 PM   #55
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I'd have to be paid a ton more money to make sure that an NN pt line actually measured out to some real number of feet or meters.

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You deserve it. Thes Dot.com billionairs need to give guys like you and Aridas and others money--I am serious. Steve Jobs was influenced by Whole Earth Catalog. Ed Tuft and others should be sought out by kids like Zuckerberg.

If I had his money, I would fund things like sailing ship replicas--but especially folks in the visual arts to do what they love--all mortgages paid so they may spend the rest of their lives creating--even if they weren't doing a job for me.
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