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Old April 20 2013, 05:38 AM   #61
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Re: Your own personal continuity

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* Captain April was first.
* TAS is canon (why do people have problems with this?)
* Enterprise never happened, or if so, it's an alternate timeline. This also allows Orion slavegirls to really be slavegirls instead of slavemasters which I hate. It also allows the pre-TOS era to remain 60s-ish.
* JJ Trek never happened.
* Saavik is half-romulan (who cares if the line was left out of the theatrical cut? Everyone's seen it by now.)
I like the way you think!

I still can't figure out fans who think Saavik is a 100% pure Vulcan when there are not only multiple books which say she's half-Romulan and explain her background, but the FASA RPG, and well, everything in print regarding her including the movie novelizations... And to top it all off, she's Crying in ST II during Spock's funeral!

But I guess if they can swallow that, they can easily swallow T'Pol being a Vulcan...and that pathetic stand-in for Celia Lovsky in E trying to pass for T'Pau (Without An Accent!)...

People have problems with TAS because the animation isn't up to today's standards... Seriously, they just can't get over that fact... These are probably the same fans who call TOS "camp" for some reason or other...
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Old April 20 2013, 05:47 AM   #62
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Star Trek XI was an alternate universe even before Nero's arrival

This is mine too.
Lol. I hadn't realised that I also thought this until I read this post. So, me three!
Ditto here, and there's tons of reasons for it being so...

Beginning with that U.S.S. Kelvin and it's wacky NCC, wacky warp nacelle and bridge (all clearly of the Same lineage of Abrams' Enterprise), the Star Fleet Bold Extended typestyle on her hull, the Phasers she has (should be lasers, don't ya think!)... The arrowhead insignia, the uniforms, it just goes on and on and on...
Not to mention Kirk being born in space rather than on Earth in Iowa...

Probably the cumulative result of the Temporal Cold War timeline... Romulans are Recognized too, which ties into the E novels... Phasers are 20 years early because they came right after phase guns... It's basically the final farting death cries of the E timeline on steroids, only made worse by Nero poking his face where it's nobody's business...
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Old April 20 2013, 06:19 AM   #63
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It's basically the final farting death cries of the E timeline on steroids, only made worse by Nero poking his face where it's nobody's business...
Now we know why it stunk!
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Old April 20 2013, 07:08 AM   #64
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Saavik is half-Romulan and is Spock's baby mamma (although she has never told him)

Generations, Unification and Relics never happen and the original crew disappeared mysteriously on the Enterprise-A just before they were due to retire.

Trip didn't die.

Data did die but was resurrected in B4 and was in all the Star Trek series in the future always reminising about the 'good ol days' on the ENT-D.

TAS is canon even the wacky episodes because you can't just get rid of every ridiculous episode in all the series.

I'm married to Spock in an alternative Prime Universe. Yes I know about the Saavik thing but I forgive him.

I'm married to McCoy in an alternative nuUniverse too.
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Old April 20 2013, 07:15 AM   #65
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Nemesis personal continuity:
  • Worf was still Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Homeworld, he was on leave for the Riker-Troi wedding and opted for his dress uniform for the occassion. He then stayed onboard to 'hang out' until the Betazed side of the ceremony, where he wore his uniform for the sake of nostalgia. After Shinzon was stopped he returned to his embassy.
  • Wesley being in dress uniform was because after years with the Traveller he had nothing decent to wear and was given a spare. After the ceremony he left with the Traveller once again.
  • Picard was bald and in an enlisted uniform in the photo for a prank he was pulling. Beverly remembers it after being told the story and seeing it previously.
  • Data sacrificed himself for his ship and friends (as well as the people of Earth). B-4's memory transfer was too much for him and burnt out every circuit, leaving him nothing but an empty shell.
  • Beverly did consider transferring back to Starfleet Medical but opted to remain aboard.
  • Geordi was promoted to Commander and made First Officer.
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Old April 20 2013, 08:16 AM   #66
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The uniforms seen in TMP were a hot-weather variant of the uniform seen in the next five films.

Nomad's effect on Uhura was really temporary. There was no "re-education."

Voyager didn't really spend two years in Kazon space, and Samantha Wildman was not pregnant for a year and a half. The first two seasons take place over the course of a few months.

Riker's NX-01 holoprogram was constructed from bits & pieces of ships logs and is mostly inaccurate.

The reason we see so few Andorians and Tellarites in the TNG-era is because they tend to serve on all-Andorian or all-Tellarite ships because of different life-support requirements. (They like it cold!)
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Old April 20 2013, 02:19 PM   #67
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Bry_Sinclair wrote: View Post
Nemesis personal continuity:
  • Worf was still Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Homeworld, he was on leave for the Riker-Troi wedding and opted for his dress uniform for the occassion. He then stayed onboard to 'hang out' until the Betazed side of the ceremony, where he wore his uniform for the sake of nostalgia. After Shinzon was stopped he returned to his embassy.
  • Wesley being in dress uniform was because after years with the Traveller he had nothing decent to wear and was given a spare. After the ceremony he left with the Traveller once again.
  • Picard was bald and in an enlisted uniform in the photo for a prank he was pulling. Beverly remembers it after being told the story and seeing it previously.
  • Data sacrificed himself for his ship and friends (as well as the people of Earth). B-4's memory transfer was too much for him and burnt out every circuit, leaving him nothing but an empty shell.
  • Beverly did consider transferring back to Starfleet Medical but opted to remain aboard.
  • Geordi was promoted to Commander and made First Officer.
All that's pretty good. I remember reading somewhere that in the novelverse Wesley teleported in naked thinking they were at the Betazed wedding ceremony and not the reception thing before. Picard and Beverly were aghast and found him clothes as quickly as possible.

A simple line of dialogue somewhere could explain why Worf was there. Your explanation certainly makes sense. I like the idea of young Picard's cadet picture being him gotten hazed. Hehe.
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Old April 20 2013, 04:18 PM   #68
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A relatively small number of Humans in the 24th century have chosen to adopt a personal philosophy of minimum personal possessions and have renounced the existence of money (although they will use money as needed). In the interest of diversity, the vast majority of the people on Earth and in the Federation extend simpathy and tolerance towards these particular Humans.

One of the reasons Picard didn't want to vacation on Risa is he knew he would have to use some of the money that was just building up in his account.

The majority of Federation Members have their own fleets of starships, a portion of which are provided to Starfleet for the common defense and other activities. If (hypothetically) Earth were to leave the Federation, Earth would retain all of it's starships.

After seven year old Anika Hanson was captured by the Borg she was placed on a maturation chamber and accelerated to maturity. Seven of Nine is actually only twelve years old.

The Daedalus class was built by Earth for the Romulans War. The prototype was built at the same time as the NX-01, with the same engines and reactor as the NX-01, but a much small hull. When the war broke out, the Daedalus battle cruiser was mass produced with many dozens being built simultaneously. With their ten month construction time (verse the NX's multiple year) Earth was able to build them by the hundreds. After the war was won, the surviving Daedalus' were the backbone of Earth's starfleet, and were also deployed with the new Federation Starfleet.

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Humans slowly improved themselves after WW 3, and then they accidentally ran into the Vulcans.
A early Human starship responded to a distress call from a Vulcan starship in interstellar space. This is how Humans and Vulcans "first contacted."

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Voyager didn't really spend two years in Kazon space, and Samantha Wildman was not pregnant for a year and a half. The first two seasons take place over the course of a few months.
This really make a lot of sense.

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This is mine too.
me three!
Ditto here, and there's tons of reasons for it being so...
Me as well. Consider that both Nero and Spock are time traveling backwards, Nero emerges in the (supposed) prime timeline and effects changes that create a alternate timeline. Why would Spock not also emerge in the prime timeline just as Nero had? How did Spock "get across" into the new Nero timeline?

Both Nero and Spock (from ST Eleven) were from a alternate timeline to start with. Both Nero and Spock changed that timeline, but neither ever left it.

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Trills have always been spotty, rather than the lumpy version seen in "The Host".
The "lumpy headed" host was an entirely separate species from Jadzia Dax, but they are one of the (fairly numerous) species that can easily accommodate a trill slug.

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The Illuminati, Masons, whatever, were real
The Illuminati and the Knights Templar were the originals of Section 31.

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Old April 20 2013, 04:27 PM   #69
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I still can't figure out fans who think Saavik is a 100% pure Vulcan when there are not only multiple books which say she's half-Romulan and explain her background, but the FASA RPG, and well, everything in print regarding her including the movie novelizations...
Show me an on-screen reference to her mixed heritage, and I'm on-board with it.

And to top it all off, she's Crying in ST II during Spock's funeral!
And? She is young, undiisciplined, and in-experienced at controlling her emotions. Doesn't make her half-Romulan. And being half-anything wouldn't necessarily change a person's behavior. If I was half Italian, would that automatically give me a craving for pasta? No. there would have had to have been aspects of my upbringing to give me that. Vulcan emotional patterns are societal, not biological. Compare the younger Spock (circa The Cage) with the more disciplined Spock we see later on. What is more likely here: that he learned self-control, or thast he had some sort of genetic therapy to over-ride those pesky human genes?

Even if Saavik is half-romulan, it would make very negligible difference in her biology or genetic make-up given how recently (in evolutionary terms) the split between vulcans and romulans occurred.

But I guess if they can swallow that, they can easily swallow T'Pol being a Vulcan...
Why shouldn't I accept that T'Pol is a vulcan?
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Old April 20 2013, 07:00 PM   #70
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Why shouldn't I accept that T'Pol is a vulcan?
Because all Vulcans (old, young, man, woman) are suppose to act exactly alike. Don't you know that?
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Old April 20 2013, 07:05 PM   #71
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  • James R. Kirk is the commander of the Enterprise
  • Spock is a Vulcanian from the planet Vulcanis
  • One of Spock's ancestors was human
  • Spock isn't a telepath
  • Sulu is the ship's physicist
  • The Enterprise is an Earth ship
  • Vulcan was conquored, possibly by Earth
  • The Enterprise is an Earth ship
  • There is no United Federation of Planets
  • Uhura wears Command gold
  • Vulcan has a moon.
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Old April 20 2013, 07:09 PM   #72
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Why shouldn't I accept that T'Pol is a vulcan?
Because all Vulcans (old, young, man, woman) are suppose to act exactly alike. Don't you know that?

Duh. Everybody knows only humans have diversity. Aliens all look, speak and act exactly alike and wear the same silver jumpsuit. That's how you know they're aliens.
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Old April 20 2013, 08:22 PM   #73
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Damn I forgot about that one. I hated what ENT did with the Orions, they were far more believable as slaves/animal women, beautiful, intoxicating and deadly. This way the Orion males weren't wusses.
I disagree; I like that one. It make more sense that they were the ones in charge to begin with (also, not every society has to be patriarchal.) It also makes what we've seen with the poor unfortunate Gaila a lot of sense (in that she was able to be in Starfleet) and it also makes the concept of the Orion slave girl palatable for a modern audience (as well as less sexist.)
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Old April 20 2013, 08:57 PM   #74
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Damn I forgot about that one. I hated what ENT did with the Orions, they were far more believable as slaves/animal women, beautiful, intoxicating and deadly. This way the Orion males weren't wusses.
I disagree; I like that one. It make more sense that they were the ones in charge to begin with (also, not every society has to be patriarchal.) It also makes what we've seen with the poor unfortunate Gaila a lot of sense (in that she was able to be in Starfleet) and it also makes the concept of the Orion slave girl palatable for a modern audience (as well as less sexist.)
Well, I Hated it... It sounds like a kind of retro-women's lib attempt by the PC crowd!

But it's only like Reason #1,966 on my list why I Hate E...

Coming way sooner than that is the excruciatingly bad explanation for ridge-free Klingon heads! Bad enough we had to watch Archer there overacting with all the intensity of a guy sitting on a toilet trying to squeeze out an oversized turd...
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Old April 20 2013, 09:11 PM   #75
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Mysterion, my so-called knowledge of Vulcans comes from reading countless novels and zine stories over the course of decades... Full Vulcans are in full control of their emotions (barring any kind of neurological disorder or what Sarek had in his final years), and this starts after the age of 7 (If they survive the Kas-wan ordeal, following this they are normally bonded)... My conception of Vulcans differs drastically from the way they are portrayed on E and in ST XI... All the more reason for Saavik's overly emotional displays if she's half Romulan...
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