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Old April 20 2013, 04:09 AM   #16
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

When I was a kid in the 70's and 80's, a lot of tv was already dumb.

At the time, I thought tv news shows like "60 Minutes" was "intelligent". Only other channel which had semi-intelligent tv shows (which I can recall) in those days, was PBS.
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Old April 20 2013, 04:09 AM   #17
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

Television shows are smarter than they've ever been before. The Sopranos, The Wire, Enlightened, Girls, Justified, The Shield etc. These shows couldn't have existed in the 70s or the 80s because networks needed to cater to such large audiences. Now that we have more options we can have smarter shows.
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Old April 20 2013, 04:31 AM   #18
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TV has always been dumb. Reality TV is just a smart way to make dumb TV without having to hire dumb writers to write dumb stories. Networks like TLC and Discovery are businesses. Dumbing down makes money and is good for business. If you want intelligent TV, stick with PBS, or look at the documentary category on Netflix.

Hmm, reality TV does have writers -it ain't real
Not real ≠ written. What reality tv does have is editors. Follow somebody around with cameras long enough and you're bound to come up with 24 minutes of trash that passes for entertainment.
Actually, no, they DO have writers on staff for reality shows. They may or may not function like editors, but they are paid as writers. Sadly, for them, they don't get to be WGA. But, they are, indeed, writers.
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Old April 20 2013, 04:35 AM   #19
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

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But the sheer number of awful shows is pretty hard to ignore.
There are more good shows, too. There are more shows, full stop.

Alan Sepinwall wrote a post last week that there are currently too many good shows to keep up with them all, and that he sees that problem growing as more non-traditional sources start developing original material.

The proliferation of content may mean you have to wade through more crap to find the good stuff, but that doesn't mean it's not there.
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Old April 20 2013, 04:37 AM   #20
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

Who create the situations the reality stars are put into and write the copy for the host/announcers.

I hate and do not watch reality TV.
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Old April 20 2013, 04:43 AM   #21
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

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Television shows are smarter than they've ever been before. The Sopranos, The Wire, Enlightened, Girls, Justified, The Shield etc. These shows couldn't have existed in the 70s or the 80s because networks needed to cater to such large audiences. Now that we have more options we can have smarter shows.
This.

There's a lot of smarter television out there, but it's all over the place. You have to actively search for it rather than it show up on your favorite prime time network station.
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Old April 20 2013, 04:55 AM   #22
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

Is television really dumb? Absolutely.

Is this a change from before? Absolutely not. There has never been an era where network TV has been intelligent. Have you seen Nick at Nite? We romanticize old television because we weren't alive then and we've only seen the standout exceptions like Twilight Zone.

And premium channel TV shows are way more intelligent than any other era of television.

It is a shame though that learning-oriented channels are getting desperate enough for ratings to dumb themselves down.

And yeah, reality shows have writers. They don't script the characters, but they script the situations.

You know how they all have the disclaimer "Portions of the show not affecting the outcome have been edited"? Yeah. Even before The Apprentice turned into a celebrity crazyfest, Trump discussed his firings with the producers.
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Old April 20 2013, 05:10 AM   #23
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

TV has far more interesting and intelligent shows in the last 10 or so years than it ever did. There were decades where it was all formulaic episodes of crap. Remember when Hill Street Blues was some kind of pinnacle of television?

I suppose there must be more guff too, but I don't have a working tv connection so I miss all that and just watch the good stuff.
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Old April 20 2013, 05:13 AM   #24
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

That happen when they approved the first reality show, and was confirmed when Jersey Shore went on the air.
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Old April 20 2013, 05:18 AM   #25
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That happen when they approved the first reality show, and was confirmed when Jersey Shore went on the air.
What was the first reality show, as we have known it?

(The first "reality show" I watched was COPS, back in the late 1980's).
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Old April 20 2013, 05:20 AM   #26
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The Sopranos: Cancelled a decade ago.
The Wire: Cancelled a decade ago.
Enlightened: Cancelled 5 minutes ago.
Girls: Self Indulgent.
Justified: Meh?
The Shield: Cancelled a decade ago.
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Old April 20 2013, 06:26 AM   #27
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

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But the sheer number of awful shows is pretty hard to ignore.
There are more good shows, too. There are more shows, full stop.

Alan Sepinwall wrote a post last week that there are currently too many good shows to keep up with them all, and that he sees that problem growing as more non-traditional sources start developing original material.

The proliferation of content may mean you have to wade through more crap to find the good stuff, but that doesn't mean it's not there.
Sepinwall's article, strictly speaking, mostly explains that there is just too much for a TV critic to keep up with. He specifically says that "first tier" shows are still relatively small in number. The common phenonomenon of a show getting better as the format and characters gel over a season (or more,) is mentioned.

But one morething he mentions is the ever increasing numbers of serials, which require continuous viewing. The thing is, he doesn't seem to understand serialization, either in artistic or in commercial terms. His book, The Revolution Was Televised, repeatedly trails off lamely in its discussions of failed serials.
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Old April 20 2013, 12:51 PM   #28
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

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The Sopranos: Cancelled a decade ago.
The Wire: Cancelled a decade ago.
Enlightened: Cancelled 5 minutes ago.
Girls: Self Indulgent.
Justified: Meh?
The Shield: Cancelled a decade ago.
A show finishing its run and being cancelled are entirely different. Deadwood was cancelled, Sopranos simply finished.
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Old April 20 2013, 01:13 PM   #29
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

IndyJones wrote: View Post
The proliferation of content may mean you have to wade through more crap to find the good stuff, but that doesn't mean it's not there.
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There's a lot of smarter television out there, but it's all over the place. You have to actively search for it rather than it show up on your favorite prime time network station.
Exactly. AMC, FX, and HBO are three good places to start. Showtime's Homeland gets quite a lot of critical love as well*, and even History has jumped into quality production with The Vikings. And, of course, there are always some imports such as Sherlock and Luther that are well-worth people's time.

(* I don't have Showtime, so I haven't seen it yet.)
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Old April 20 2013, 01:26 PM   #30
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Re: Have we witnessed the death of intelligent TV?

You sound like you all need BBC4.
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