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Old April 19 2013, 01:49 PM   #181
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I enjoyed it. I liked most of the characters, I enjoyed the diversity, and while the story was predictable it was mostly there to introduce the key players and future storylines. But that last part is true of most pilots, so I don't see why people are harshing on that particular bit.

It has the potential to develop into something great. I hope Syfy gives it that chance, but I'm not holding my breath. Why people even bother producing shows for some of these networks is beyond me...
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Old April 19 2013, 02:06 PM   #182
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I enjoyed it. I liked most of the characters, I enjoyed the diversity, and while the story was predictable it was mostly there to introduce the key players and future storylines. But that last part is true of most pilots, so I don't see why people are harshing on that particular bit.
True -- pilots are often weakly written compared to what follows. And frankly, given what a mess Rockne O'Bannon's Cult turned out to be, and given that I personally didn't think Farscape was all that good until David Kemper took over the writers' room from O'Bannon, I kinda suspect that the writing on the rest of the season may well be better now that O'Bannon's no longer involved. I really do feel he's overrated. Take away Farscape and there isn't anything really impressive on his resume.


It has the potential to develop into something great. I hope Syfy gives it that chance, but I'm not holding my breath. Why people even bother producing shows for some of these networks is beyond me...
Oh, I think Syfy is clearly committed to making this show work if at all possible. This is their gamble to put a big, prestigious show on the network again to follow in Galactica's footsteps. They've poured enormous amounts of money and effort into creating it and promoting it and into setting it up as this big multimedia franchise with the show and the MMO game and the website and Tumblr and everything. They wouldn't want to see all that effort and expense wasted.

Not to mention that the main thing that determines whether a show stays on the air is how much money it makes or loses. If the MMO is profitable, that helps underwrite the series and makes it easier for the network to afford to keep it on the air.
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Old April 19 2013, 04:20 PM   #183
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I watched Defiance pilot for about half and hour before I fell asleep... And that was around 9 PM. It was really bad. Unwatchable, really.

Did it get any better afterwards, or should I just forget I ever watched it?
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Old April 19 2013, 04:24 PM   #184
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Well the first half hour was pretty much this is not your earth and look at our aliens. What you like and expect from a show is what you like and I can't answer for you whether a second look is worth it.
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Old April 19 2013, 04:26 PM   #185
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and look at our aliens.
Those were some shitty looking aliens.
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Old April 19 2013, 04:27 PM   #186
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and look at our aliens.
Those were some shitty looking aliens.
Not as bad as Andromeda and that worked for a season
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Old April 19 2013, 04:29 PM   #187
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and look at our aliens.
Those were some shitty looking aliens.
Not as bad as Andromeda and that worked for a season
You really had to remind me of Andromeda's existence, did you? Now I need booze. And I was just about to go jogging. Got my running shoes on and everything.
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Old April 19 2013, 05:04 PM   #188
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Just watch Falling Skies season 2, works well.
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Old April 19 2013, 05:33 PM   #189
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The basic nature of the alien designs is understandable given how many of them there have to be per episode. The more elaborate the makeup, the more time and money it takes to apply it, so SFTV aliens who need to appear in large numbers tend to be given fairly simple makeups. Since Castithans are the most common aliens in Defiance itself (although second to Irathients elsewhere), they have the most basic makeup, followed by Irathients, and the makeups get more elaborate as the species get less numerous.
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Old April 19 2013, 06:38 PM   #190
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I enjoyed it. I liked most of the characters, I enjoyed the diversity, and while the story was predictable it was mostly there to introduce the key players and future storylines. But that last part is true of most pilots, so I don't see why people are harshing on that particular bit.

It has the potential to develop into something great. I hope Syfy gives it that chance, but I'm not holding my breath. Why people even bother producing shows for some of these networks is beyond me...
Totally agree. There are so many it shows that took awhile to catch on with fans and today's networks aren't patient. Ergo the rush to introduce characters, forsaking subtleties that make them memorable and loveable -hateable too!
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Old April 19 2013, 07:47 PM   #191
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Just watch Falling Skies season 2, works well.
Couldn't even finish season 1. It wasn't THAT bad, but sure as hell wasn't any good.
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Old April 19 2013, 08:18 PM   #192
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I didn't care for Falling Skies at all. The first season was pretty badly written and had few interesting characters, so I didn't even bother with the second. (The stupidest thing that stands out in my mind was the plan from the first-season finale where they were going to take out the aliens' huge four-legged construct by splitting up into teams to blow up all four legs. Umm, hello? Haven't any of the writers ever had a chair leg break under them? All they had to do was blow one leg and the whole thing would've toppled!)

Besides, the two shows are very different. Falling Skies is a guerrilla-war story about fighting off alien invaders who've conquered Earth. Defiance is an immigrant story of various cultures, including humans, trying to build a life in a world that's alien to all of them.
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Old April 19 2013, 08:31 PM   #193
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I stuck with Falling Skies for two episodes. Instead of actually fighting aliens they just sit around and talk "hey, you remember the time when we fought the aliens?"
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Old April 19 2013, 10:44 PM   #194
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I thought the pilot was okay. I'll be interested to see where the series goes.
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Old April 20 2013, 05:40 AM   #195
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I finally had a chance to watch the pilot after being unable to catch it in its initial airing on Monday, and I really liked what I saw. It didn't feel like your typical television pilot, and had more of a feature-length movie vibe to it.

There were a few things that they could've made a bit more clearer plot-wise, but I liked the storyline overall and the characters are all interesting.

A while back, IO9 posted a review of the series in which they compared it to Firefly, but I really didn't get a Firefly-esque vibe from it at all. It actually reminded me way more of Tombstone - not only in terms of its scope, as mentioned above, but also in terms of its overall structure - than anything else.

I won't be able to watch episodes as they air due to viewing conflicts, but I definitely intend to keep up with the series, and am interested in seeing where things go from here on out, especially with regards to the mystery that is revealed at the end of the episode and with Datak and his wife's scheme involving their son and the McCawley's daughter.
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