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Old April 18 2013, 07:06 PM   #31
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Re: Your own personal continuity

  • Robert April was the first Captain of the Enterprise
  • Enterprise, NCC-1701 was launched around 2230 and had many more captains than April, Pike and Kirk.
  • 5 year missions are not standard, 5 years is just the maximum time a Constitution-Class starship can operate between major overhauls.
  • Kirk commanded the Enterprise for 2-3 years after TMP and then was transferred to another newly refit Connie, which he commanded for 2-3 years before being transferred to the Academy.
  • Between Kirk's second tour on the Enterprise and Spock assuming command, the ship was commanded by Cpt Gregory Westlake.
  • Earth fought 4 "wars" with the Kzin in the mid to late 21st Century. Not sure how or why, but they did.
  • The Enterprise was not Jim Kirk's first command. He commanded at least one Destroyer-Class vessel as a Commander & possibly one other ship as a Captain.
  • Saavik was half-Romulan
  • The Eugenics Wars were fought in the 1990s and were NOT a secret war.
That's all for now
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Old April 18 2013, 07:11 PM   #32
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Most of these gel pretty well with what I've always imagined (except for a second 5-year-mission. I've never seen the need for it.)
Between TMP and TWOK is when Kirk left Starfleet, got the cabin in the woods, and met Antonia. When he told her he was going back to Starfleet, it was to be an instructor at the academy. Kirk was never the Admiral in charge of the academy.
Actually, it was never said that Kirk was going to be an instructor at the Academy. He just said that he was going back to Starfleet (or at least wasn't going to settle down with Antonia). The timeframe given places his time with her just a few years before TWOK.

But as this thread is about personal continuities and not about canon, it doesn't matter. Kirk was Commandant in mine and was the reason he was loitering around the Academy and went on a subsequent cadet cruise.

There's no wrong or right answers in this thread.
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Old April 18 2013, 08:52 PM   #33
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-NOTHING established in The Animated Series is canon. (Just grew up with this assumption. Plus it dispenses with trying to reconcile the Kzin Wars with established history).

-Archer became an Admiral, an Ambassador to Andoria, and President of the Federation, in that order. He died in 2245 after attending the commissioning of the Connie Enterprise. The "Admiral Archer" mentioned in Abrams-Trek is a descendant and his/her "prize beagle" is NOT Porthos but simply another dog adopted out of the family's traditional fondness for the breed.

-Shran's name is NOT "Thy'lek Shran" or "Hravishran th'Zoarhi". It's just Shran.

-The Battle of Cheron during the Romulan War did NOT take place on, around, or anywhere near Bele and Lokai's homeworld.

-Captain Harriman, despite his rocky start, was in fact a very good captain who commanded the Enterprise-B for several years.

-Captain Picard commanded one or two other ships in the eight and a half years between the loss of the Stargazer and the launch of the Enterprise-D.

-The Prometheus' registry was NX-74913, not NX-59650. The Yamato's was NCC-71807, not NCC-1305-E. The new Defiant retained its Sau Paulo registration of NCC-75633. It did NOT take the previous Defiant's NX registry.

-All classes and registries for off-screen starshpis given in the Star Trek Encyclopedia are canon, except when contradicted by on-screen evidence.

-Conversely, NONE of the ridiculous starship names and registries glimpsed for fraction of a second on the screen readouts in "Conspiracy" are canon.

-There were initially six Galaxy class ships commissioned in the early 2360's. They were, in order, the Galaxy, the Yamato, the Enteprise, the Odyssey, the Venture, and the Challenger. (The Challenger's seemingly low registry in "Timeless" was a misread). Construction on several more began soon after, however, and several dozen had been commissioned by the time of the Dominion War.

-Following the launch of Enterprise NX-01 and Columbia NX-02, at least four more NX class ships would be launch by Earth Starfleet in the 2150's, following the naming patterns of NASA's Space Shuttle of the 1980's. Thus, the first two were soon followed by Challenger NX-03, Atlantis NX-04, Discovery NX-05, and Endeavor NX-06.

-A handful of Excelsior-variants were commissioned in the late 23rd to mid 24th century for long-term deep space exploration missions. They had a different color scheme and extended primary and secondary hulls to make room for more storage space for supplies and stronger impulse engines. Ships of this type included the Enterprise-B and the Lakota. Ultimately, few vessels of this type would be constructed, however, and the original Excelsior configuration would become the most prolific class of ship in Starfleet well into the mid-to-late 24th Century.

-The Enterprise-A was originally to be christened under a different name in 2286, but following the destruction of the Enterprise, it was decided to name it after the first vessel. Due to the celebrated history of the previous ship with that name, they even gave the vessel the same registry, something Starfleet would not do for any other vessel name. (The ship would retain a more sequential, albeit seldom-used registry in some readouts, as would future ships with that name). Several at Starfleet Command were disappointed by this, however, having hoped that the second Enterprise would be Excelsior class ship, wanting the prestigious name attached to a new class of ship, rather than one decades old. Thus, with the first Excelsior-variant nearing completion in 2293, and the Enterprise-A having sustained heavy damage during the Battle of Khitomer, it was decided to decommission the Enterprise-A and christen the new ship as the Enterprise-B. The Enterprise-A was subsequently placed on display at the Fleet Museum, along with the NX-01 and several other distinguished ships.

-There was only ONE USS Melbourne and it was an Excelsior-class ship.
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Old April 18 2013, 08:54 PM   #34
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In the TNG episode Coming of Age, Riker asks Picard if he's under investigation. He's asking this because years before as an ensign, while on board the Pegaus, he took part in secret experiments that resulted in the loss of the ship. A fact that only comes to light years later in The Pegaus. The loss of the Pegasus is a dirty secret he's been waiting to come to light for years - hence his question when Remmick comes aboard in Coming of Age.
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Old April 18 2013, 09:09 PM   #35
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In the TNG episode Coming of Age, Riker asks Picard if he's under investigation. He's asking this because years before as an ensign, while on board the Pegaus, he took part in secret experiments that resulted in the loss of the ship. A fact that only comes to light years later in The Pegaus. The loss of the Pegasus is a dirty secret he's been waiting to come to light for years - hence his question when Remmick comes aboard in Coming of Age.
I like that one.
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Old April 18 2013, 09:15 PM   #36
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In the TNG episode Coming of Age, Riker asks Picard if he's under investigation. He's asking this because years before as an ensign, while on board the Pegaus, he took part in secret experiments that resulted in the loss of the ship. A fact that only comes to light years later in The Pegaus. The loss of the Pegasus is a dirty secret he's been waiting to come to light for years - hence his question when Remmick comes aboard in Coming of Age.
I like that one.
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Old April 18 2013, 09:29 PM   #37
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- If I had been in charge of the movies, Spock would still be dead. All STIII and STIV do is erase STII. Spock's dead? Nope, just kidding. Kirk has a son? Sorry, we'll take care of that. Enterprise destroyed? Nah, look over there - we got a new one! Feh. If you're gonna tell the big stories, have the balls to deal with the consequences honestly.
He really should have stayed dead.

Forgot to add to my list:

Charles Tucker was alive and well following the Romulan War and didn't die pointlessly. That was an error entered by the holonovel developer to add some personal drama to the programme (the real person who died was Ensign James Ricky).
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Old April 18 2013, 09:47 PM   #38
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* Captain April was first.
* TAS is canon (why do people have problems with this?)
* Enterprise never happened, or if so, it's an alternate timeline. This also allows Orion slavegirls to really be slavegirls instead of slavemasters which I hate. It also allows the pre-TOS era to remain 60s-ish.
* JJ Trek never happened.
* Saavik is half-romulan (who cares if the line was left out of the theatrical cut? Everyone's seen it by now.)
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Old April 18 2013, 09:53 PM   #39
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Re: Your own personal continuity

A few more brought to mind by previous posters:
  • Rear-Admiral Kirk was not Commandant of Starfleet Academy, he was merely the Dean of the Academy Command School, which is why he oversaw the Kobiashi Maru test.
  • Transwarp is a generic term for anything that travels faster than current warp engines. The 2280s Transwarp Project was not dealing with radically new technology, just a massive upgrade to the old style warp engines that would allow travel at twice the old speeds. The project was not a failure.
  • The 1701-A started life as the NCC-1798, built as the first test-bed for the transwarp engines that would later be used on Excelsior. The Constitution-Class space frame was not strong enough to take full advantage of the new engines, so the NX-2000 was built specifically to hold the more powerful engines. Later she was christened USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A in honor of the recently scuttled 1701.
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Old April 18 2013, 09:55 PM   #40
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I like to think that all of Enterprise, not just the last episode, was fiction within the fiction. A holodeck program that Riker occasionally indulged on his free time.
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Old April 18 2013, 10:06 PM   #41
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* TAS is canon (why do people have problems with this?)
I don't think that many people do anymore. Roddenberry once declared TAS non-canon due to licensing issues (and it was presumably enforced by Richard Arnold who approved licensed tie-ins at Paramount up until Roddenberry's death). But since then, the canonicity of TAS has become academic as nods towards it appeared in DS9, ENT, and even Star Trek XI. Writers of both licensed books and comics are free to use elements from TAS as well (and they have).
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Old April 18 2013, 10:12 PM   #42
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- If I had been in charge of the movies, Spock would still be dead. All STIII and STIV do is erase STII. Spock's dead? Nope, just kidding. Kirk has a son? Sorry, we'll take care of that. Enterprise destroyed? Nah, look over there - we got a new one! Feh. If you're gonna tell the big stories, have the balls to deal with the consequences honestly.
He really should have stayed dead.

Forgot to add to my list:

Charles Tucker was alive and well following the Romulan War and didn't die pointlessly. That was an error entered by the holonovel developer to add some personal drama to the programme (the real person who died was Ensign James Ricky).
Ah, crap.
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Old April 18 2013, 10:50 PM   #43
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* This also allows Orion slavegirls to really be slavegirls instead of slavemasters which I hate.
Damn I forgot about that one. I hated what ENT did with the Orions, they were far more believable as slaves/animal women, beautiful, intoxicating and deadly. This way the Orion males weren't wusses.
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Old April 18 2013, 11:03 PM   #44
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Klingons are the way that TOS and John Ford described them in his books.

Andorians are the way Leslie Fish described them in her fanfic.

Romulans and Vulcans are the way Diane Duane described them in her books.
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Old April 18 2013, 11:45 PM   #45
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My own personal continuity:

Shatner-Kirk never died in "Generations!"
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