RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,829
Posts: 5,473,092
Members: 25,039
Currently online: 569
Newest member: noroadcordova

TrekToday headlines

Retro Review: Covenant
By: Michelle on Nov 22

Two Official Starships Collection Previews
By: T'Bonz on Nov 21

Saldana: Women Issues In Hollywood
By: T'Bonz on Nov 21

Shatner Book Kickstarter
By: T'Bonz on Nov 20

Trek Original Series Slippers
By: T'Bonz on Nov 19

Hemsworth Is Sexiest Man Alive
By: T'Bonz on Nov 19

Trek Business Card Cases
By: T'Bonz on Nov 17

February IDW Publishing Trek Comics
By: T'Bonz on Nov 17

Retro Review: The Siege of AR-558
By: Michelle on Nov 15

Trevco Full Bleed Uniform T-Shirts
By: T'Bonz on Nov 14


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Science Fiction & Fantasy

Science Fiction & Fantasy Farscape, Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, vampires, genre books and film.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old April 17 2013, 10:00 PM   #151
Kegg
Rear Admiral
 
Kegg's Avatar
 
Location: Ireland.
Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

not wrote: View Post
I missed Irisa’s murder statement but wasn’t her intent to get out and head to the Artic (IIRC)?
Antartica. And Defiance is an independent city-state whose relationship with other powers is still (in the show, anyway) unclear. Unless an Interpol exists there's really no point in arresting Nolan.
__________________
'Spock is always right, even when he's wrong. It's the tone of voice, the supernatural reasonability; this is not a man like us; this is a god.'
- Philip K. Dick
Kegg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 17 2013, 10:07 PM   #152
not
Lieutenant Commander
 
Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

Aeolusdallas wrote: View Post
Christopher wrote: View Post
not wrote: View Post
I wasn't sure either but I thought it wasn't important in that it was accidental death. It was obvious the sheriff’s character, while likeable, was replaceable.
Well, it wasn't important in plot terms, no, but in legal terms, we're talking the homicide of a police officer during an altercation in which firearms were discharged in public with lethal intent. It's unclear whether the shooter was acting in aggression or in self-defense. In the latter case, it would probably be manslaughter, while in the former it would be felony murder. Indeed, whoever started the gunfight (Rafe?) could be found guilty of the lawkeeper's murder even if he didn't fire the shot. There have been cases where, if person A committed a crime and person B accidentally killed person C while defending themselves against person A, it was person A who was found guilty of murder because it was A's criminal action that led to C's death.

What bugs me is that Irisa told the deputy that Nolan murdered her parents -- she even used the word "murdered" -- but the deputy didn't then try to arrest Nolan or at least protest when he was named the new lawkeeper. But then, I guess the crimes occurred outside his jurisdiction.


not wrote: View Post
I was conflicted by Stahma Tarr because she did distract the children of the man who feared being late on a payment to her husband and feeding them is symbolic too
Well, she distracted them so her husband's Sensoth goon could torture the guy without the kids raising a fuss and drawing attention. It was anything but an act of kindness. That was one of the creepiest moments in the episode, the way she used a seeming act of kindness to abet in her husband's crime and cruelty, and it made her intriguingly devious.
What possible jurisdiction could Defiance have in Irisa's parents murder? It's essentially a sovereign city state.

The mayor actually spoke of forming alliances; I assumed for exchanges of goods and service but legal disputes could be part of the Defiance story
not is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 17 2013, 10:09 PM   #153
RAMA
Vice Admiral
 
RAMA's Avatar
 
Location: NJ, USA
Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

All I kept thinking was...if they put this cool backstory in front of a David Brin, Greg Bear, etc they might have a really cool show, but they didn't quite succeed yet.

Unlike Farscape, I actually like these actors, so I'll probably stick around longer. It's the only real lasting impression of the show except for the brief prologue. I might need to rewatch it.

Why would there be 5 different terraforming machines? The aliens were going to share the planet not fight for the winning terraforming ecosystem.

There's no way a group of advanced aliens like this coming to Earth would ever result in a stalemate or victory for Earth. Yes I understand the Ark's were destroyed, but apparently battle was at a stalemate before that.

RAMA
__________________
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Carl Sagan
RAMA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 17 2013, 10:22 PM   #154
Aeolusdallas
Captain
 
Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

RAMA wrote: View Post
All I kept thinking was...if they put this cool backstory in front of a David Brin, Greg Bear, etc they might have a really cool show, but they didn't quite succeed yet.

Unlike Farscape, I actually like these actors, so I'll probably stick around longer. It's the only real lasting impression of the show except for the brief prologue. I might need to rewatch it.

Why would there be 5 different terraforming machines? The aliens were going to share the planet not fight for the winning terraforming ecosystem.

There's no way a group of advanced aliens like this coming to Earth would ever result in a stalemate or victory for Earth. Yes I understand the Ark's were destroyed, but apparently battle was at a stalemate before that.

RAMA
The Aliens are from 6 separate worlds. Packed in the STL refugee ships and working together only because they had to to escape the destruction of their home systems. Only a small number was ever awake after arrival and during the war. The vast majority died in their sleep on board their ships.
So the Humans had first over 10 years to prepare for war. (human governments saw the ships coming years before the public found out) and of course a massive advantage in numbers.
they 5 five different types of terraforming machines because the 6 humanoid races presumably planed to divide up the uninhabited world they were traveling too and each have their own ecosystem. Yeah it's crazy science but what can you do. I mean in the show the out of control machines have made all sorts of weird localized ecologys
Aeolusdallas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 17 2013, 10:26 PM   #155
cylkoth
Commodore
 
Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

RAMA wrote: View Post
There's no way a group of advanced aliens like this coming to Earth would ever result in a stalemate or victory for Earth. Yes I understand the Ark's were destroyed, but apparently battle was at a stalemate before that.

RAMA
More off screen backstory...I recall reading that some of the ships crashed allowing Earth to get it's hands on super tech. That would explain how a stalemate could ever have happened (during the negotiation process before all out hostilities broke out).
__________________
Have spacesuit...will travel.
cylkoth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 17 2013, 10:26 PM   #156
Christopher
Writer
 
Christopher's Avatar
 
Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

Kegg wrote: View Post
But O'Bannon was definitely the guy who concieved the series and developed it as a concept. I can see the sense of comparing the Defiance pilot to the pilot episode of Farscape, which O'Bannon wrote - in fact, both are a little encumbered by the amount of story and character they're setting up (Defiance more so, but it's a longest pilot).
Yes, O'Bannon created Farscape, but my point is that the sound bite you keep hearing that "Defiance is from the Farscape guy" is inaccurate, because O'Bannon was just one of three developers and he left after the pilot. So this isn't the second coming of Farscape that some people expect or want it to be. The overlap between the two shows' creative staffs is quite minimal. There are more Galactica/Caprica veterans involved with Defiance than there are Farscape veterans.


not wrote: View Post
The “intent” is as unknown as the shooter and it would be determined in a trial but the setting is the ‘Wild West’ and as such, survival and not procedural legalities are their priority.
Even so, I can't believe they'd just shrug off the killing of their lawkeeper. Nothing gets cops up in arms like killing a cop. Hopefully in episodes to come there will be some followup to this.


FreezeC77 wrote: View Post
The main thing I question especially reading earlier and seeing the backstory. How the hell did the Earth *FIGHT* these aliens? The ships came in 2013 and apparently the war broke out in 2023.

I really don't think we have the technology to be battling multiple interstellar races and don't think that will improve much in 10 years. I'm assuming there was some sharing of technology by those seeking to settle on the Earth, but that still seems a bit farfetched to me.

I would think any fight against Aliens would be similar to Fallen Skies. Pretty much *OWNED* within a few days and then whatever fighting remains is resistance pockets.
But the Votans didn't come as invaders. They came as refugees, expecting to settle what they thought was an uninhabited planet. So it's not like they came equipped with an arsenal and infantry legions and such. Nor were they a unified force. The Pale Wars weren't just human vs. alien; there were also humans fighting humans and Votans fighting Votans. True, once the Volge showed up later in the war, they were certainly equipped for heavy fighting, but the Votans hadn't even known they were there until they struck, and the Volge were a threat to humans and Votans alike.

Not to mention that the Defiance timeline began to diverge back in 2000, when the Earth's governments discovered the approaching fleet and began working in secret to develop defenses, including the Biomen. So they had 13 years of warning to prepare, plus a decade of peaceful technology exchange with the Votans.
__________________
Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Site update 11/16/14 including annotations for "The Caress of a Butterfly's Wing" and overview for DTI: The Collectors

Written Worlds -- My blog
Christopher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 17 2013, 10:31 PM   #157
Aeolusdallas
Captain
 
Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

As for the Lawkeeper's death. If you ever watch Gunsmoke or the like, when the sheriff dies they stick the badge on the new guy. They don't fret over legalities. This show is a western not a police procedural.
Aeolusdallas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 17 2013, 10:56 PM   #158
not
Lieutenant Commander
 
Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

Aeolusdallas wrote: View Post
As for the Lawkeeper's death. If you ever watch Gunsmoke or the like, when the sheriff dies they stick the badge on the new guy. They don't fret over legalities. This show is a western not a police procedural.

Agreed and they settle scores later
not is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 17 2013, 10:57 PM   #159
Kegg
Rear Admiral
 
Kegg's Avatar
 
Location: Ireland.
Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

Christopher wrote: View Post
But the Votans didn't come as invaders. They came as refugees, expecting to settle what they thought was an uninhabited planet.
In which sense Defiance's backstory resembles another Rockne O'Bannon-involved product, that is Alien Nation.
__________________
'Spock is always right, even when he's wrong. It's the tone of voice, the supernatural reasonability; this is not a man like us; this is a god.'
- Philip K. Dick
Kegg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 17 2013, 11:07 PM   #160
Christopher
Writer
 
Christopher's Avatar
 
Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

^Oh yeah. I noticed the Alien Nation parallels earlier, but I forgot that O'Bannon had written the original movie of that because it was so much less interesting than the TV series.
__________________
Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Site update 11/16/14 including annotations for "The Caress of a Butterfly's Wing" and overview for DTI: The Collectors

Written Worlds -- My blog
Christopher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 18 2013, 12:05 AM   #161
Mr. Adventure
Admiral
 
Mr. Adventure's Avatar
 
Location: Mr. Adventure
Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

Worf2DS9 wrote: View Post
Overall, I really enjoyed the pilot. I love Stephanie Leonidas as Irisa. Love her look and attitude. I liked that early scene when they were in the car and despite being pissed at Nolan, eventually starts singing the song with him.
I liked it more before they got to Defiance than after. It's funny I had stumbled onto Jackson on Youtube a couple of days earlier (though not my first time hearing it).
Mr. Adventure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 18 2013, 12:46 PM   #162
trekkiebaggio
Vice Admiral
 
trekkiebaggio's Avatar
 
Location: Dancing to the Jailhouse Rock
View trekkiebaggio's Twitter Profile
Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

I like westerns, I like sci-fi. I liked the first episode, although I wasn't blown away. Some of the dialogue was pretty bland and I thought some of the acting was sub-par. However, most of it was entertaining. I like the two main characters, Julie Benz was pretty good and I think the deputy has potential. The character which made the best impression on me was the Doctor. The way she poked Amanda's head to get to rest cracked me up.

I also liked the ominous scene at the end too as it gave the episode a little more edge.
__________________
Angelic Hellfire - My novel.

Man of Yesterday - My blog: movie, books and board game reviews.
trekkiebaggio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 18 2013, 03:49 PM   #163
superdeluxe
Captain
 
superdeluxe's Avatar
 
Location: Seattle
Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

Really liked the pilot, had to try and introduce many of the different characters, some of the different underlying plot points and giving us some action. I think it succeeded in all facets of this. Good veteran cast, although yes, they had your stereotypical sci-fi archetypes with the amount of stuff they had to cram it I did not mind much.

It was Visually very nice, that Volge army was pretty cool and just the look and feel of the world was great. Definitely got the 'Space Western' vibe.

Great thing is that network tv shows are starting to end, so my calendar opens up a little bit.
__________________
Star Trek 2009 is Canon. It is in an Alternate Reality.

Star Trek 250+ million or Bust!
superdeluxe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 18 2013, 04:22 PM   #164
Christopher
Writer
 
Christopher's Avatar
 
Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

superdeluxe wrote: View Post
It was Visually very nice, that Volge army was pretty cool and just the look and feel of the world was great.
I'm surprised you'd call that out. There were some awesome visuals -- the Arks, the landscapes -- but the Volge army was the fakiest-looking thing in the whole pilot, like a video-game cut scene (though maybe that was the intent, since this is a "transmedia" crossover with an MMORPG).
__________________
Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Site update 11/16/14 including annotations for "The Caress of a Butterfly's Wing" and overview for DTI: The Collectors

Written Worlds -- My blog
Christopher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 18 2013, 04:57 PM   #165
superdeluxe
Captain
 
superdeluxe's Avatar
 
Location: Seattle
Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

Christopher wrote: View Post
superdeluxe wrote: View Post
It was Visually very nice, that Volge army was pretty cool and just the look and feel of the world was great.
I'm surprised you'd call that out. There were some awesome visuals -- the Arks, the landscapes -- but the Volge army was the fakiest-looking thing in the whole pilot, like a video-game cut scene (though maybe that was the intent, since this is a "transmedia" crossover with an MMORPG).
Well the world visually was nice, and I liked the Army. It did look like a video game army however.
__________________
Star Trek 2009 is Canon. It is in an Alternate Reality.

Star Trek 250+ million or Bust!
superdeluxe is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
defiance

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:44 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.