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Old April 17 2013, 09:59 PM   #16
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Re: Best female Star Trek Cast?

Yup.

In "Infinite Regress" we heard 3 distinct characters by voice only (Seven's logs). Not one of 'em sounded like Jeri's own conversational style.
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Old April 17 2013, 10:57 PM   #17
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I never found Ryan monotoned, she's very nuanced.
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Old April 17 2013, 11:13 PM   #18
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Even fully Borgified, Ryan conveyed better emotion than Beltran ever did.
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Old April 18 2013, 12:22 AM   #19
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Re: Best female Star Trek Cast?

Yeah, but it was always funny that you could tell it was a holodeck or alternate reality episode if Chakotay was acting lifelike!
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Old April 18 2013, 02:01 AM   #20
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Re: Best female Star Trek Cast?

Beltran put as much effort into the Fake Chakotays as he did the Real Chakotay.
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Old April 18 2013, 05:09 AM   #21
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Re: Best female Star Trek Cast?

Eh VOY doesn't really strike me as the best female cast Trek has to offer.

Janeway is written to be nearly infallible and is constantly making bad decisions but never faces any repercussions for them either do to favortism of the writers or the reset button.

B'Elanna was a trope Klingon, who was the daughter of a trope Klingon and only developed as a character by becoming married and pregnant with a daughter who would also be a trope Klingon.

Kes I liked but was underused to the max.

Seven Of Nine I view as an opaque character. Her femininity really wasn't about her character's development, rather her story and growth from drone to human defined her. Pissed still they reduced her to the lowest common denominator by making her fall for Chakotay in the finale for no reason. Can we not have asexual characters? Why does everyone need to shake up with someone? Oh because Beltran complained his character was being underused and the producers made this 11th hour change to appease him.

VOY has the most female characters in lead/supporting roles but I wouldn't consider them the best because of that.


I really liked the DS9 and ENT women though.

Kira was grating and preachy at first but she grew on me.

Dax I never warmed to.

Leeta I liked in her bit part.

Cassidy I liked.

Female Changeling was great.

T'Pol was bland but by season 3 she was defined and relatable.

Hoshi was SEVERELY underused for a Trek series in the 21st century. Forget Tasha Yar, Hoshi was the new Uhura, and that's really sad.

Captain Hernandez I would've liked to have seen more of.
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Old April 18 2013, 05:35 AM   #22
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Yes Captain Hernandez. Worth 1000 Archers.
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Old April 18 2013, 08:18 AM   #23
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Re: Best female Star Trek Cast?

Come on now, Beltran did a good job and Chakotay is a great character.

As for the female cast of Voyager, I think they were better than those of the other series even though I like the TNG, DS9 and TOS characters too.
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Old April 18 2013, 10:29 AM   #24
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Re: Best female Star Trek Cast?

Beltran did a perfectly mediocre job which (apparently) the writers took note of and wrote for accordingly.
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Old April 18 2013, 12:49 PM   #25
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Re: Best female Star Trek Cast?

teacake wrote: View Post
Beltran did a perfectly mediocre job which (apparently) the writers took note of and wrote for accordingly.
I get the impression that it was the other way around.

The writers did an incredible mediocre job which Beltran got tired of, especially since they totally ignored his ideas for the character.
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Old April 18 2013, 01:14 PM   #26
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People keep forcing me to post this.

The 11nth episode of the FIRST SEASON!

Was he stoned?

Where is the emotion? If my lover turned out to be a freaking SPY and another entire SPECIES and my entire love affair a FARCE I would be, like, visibly UNNERVED.



If I was writing for this show there is no way I would give this guy dramatic and character building scenes after this crap. This incredibly hilarious crap.
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Old April 18 2013, 01:24 PM   #27
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Re: Best female Star Trek Cast?

The series would have been far more interesting if they'd kept Seska onboard. Made her a semi-regular; lots of potential for conflict between her and the rest of the crew, which would grow and evolve over time.
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Old April 18 2013, 01:35 PM   #28
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I would have loved to have Seska on board the whole time. Great actor, very interesting character. We had a believable Maquis agent (unlike the other ones..) who neatly slipped out of that and into a survival mode that was breathtaking in its fuck you federation quality.
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Old April 18 2013, 03:16 PM   #29
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I never understood what she was doing with the Kazon anyway. A single operative (especially a female in a male dominated culture) wouldn't have been able to build a power base in the DQ, neither did the Kazon have technological means to get her back to the AQ (plus they were little more than petty thugs who fought among themselves).
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Old April 18 2013, 04:19 PM   #30
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Martha Hackett gave a great performance in that scene it's pretty easy to ignore the Chakotay shaped wall.
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