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Old April 16 2013, 07:18 PM   #1471
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I never felt sorry for Theon. After he killed and flayed those children I thought "fuck him, I hope he gets his". And so he did. Of course now we all want Ramsay to get worse, which probably means someone will shoot him the the eye with an arrow and that will be all she wrote.
I really got mad at him when he yelled "No, not me!". So it's ok to rape someone else then?
Made me realize what a blessing in disguise Ramsay actually is for Theon, because he really needs to be broken apart at the seems so he can put himself back together again as a better person. As he is now, he's irredeemable.
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Old April 16 2013, 08:01 PM   #1472
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Good point. I hope they are setting up the situation in which Theon's redemption can be clearly established. I recall it being a little more wishy-washy in the books.
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Old April 17 2013, 04:55 AM   #1473
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I never felt sorry for Theon. After he killed and flayed those children I thought "fuck him, I hope he gets his". And so he did. Of course now we all want Ramsay to get worse, which probably means someone will shoot him the the eye with an arrow and that will be all she wrote.
Well, why don't people feel worse towards what Jaime did to Bran? His was potentially worse, because he did what he did towards someone we knew and cared about.

I know the usual excuse is "He did it out of love for Cersei", but really it's still his own fault for doing something wrong in the first place.
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Old April 17 2013, 05:12 AM   #1474
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What Jaime did to Bran is a neat parallel to what was done to him in turn... Bran was all about climbing and agility before the fall, and Jaime took that away from him -- and then Jaime lost all that defined him along with his sword hand. A deserving fate.
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Old April 17 2013, 08:57 AM   #1475
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Jaime's been a rotter from the start. I expect him to remain a rotter throughout. However what he did to Bran was supposed to kill him instantly. It wasn't Jaime's intention to cripple the boy. For all his faults he isn't a sadist like Theon or Ramsay.
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Old April 17 2013, 05:28 PM   #1476
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Theon's not a sadist either though. I can't remember him ever taking any pleasure from killing anyone.

I think the TV version of Theon is loads more sympathetic than the book version though.
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Old April 17 2013, 05:36 PM   #1477
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Jaime is the Spike of Game of Thrones.
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Old April 17 2013, 05:38 PM   #1478
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Then Brienne is the Twilight?
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Old April 17 2013, 10:20 PM   #1479
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While I confess I sometimes found Jaime amusing and his chapters compelling, I never "liked" him. He flung a small boy to his death, or at least he hoped to.

I cannot condemn Theon for the Miller's boys and not condemn Jaime for Bran. I think they are both paying for their crimes, but that does not make me like them.

I have had compassion for the women in their stories - Brienne and Jeyne.

Killing children and hunting people with dogs puts you past the pale. I am looking at you Cersei, Jaime, Theon, the Hound and Ramsay. (I have probably forgotten a few.)

Qyburn and his Mengele-like experiments also turn my stomach.

When you get right down to it, most of the characters have done something I find objectionable, but Ramsay is the one I find most vile.
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Old May 6 2013, 10:16 PM   #1480
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I was wondering where the dragonglass knife went. There's no other nightswatch around so no witnesses. Maybe Sam will lose a nickname?

I thought this one went a little slow. Liked the Queen of Thorns against Tywin though. Wished they had the skinchanging fight with sixskins before, but at least they're developing some bad blood with him.

I was expecting a Tyrion wedding this episode. I guess they'll be packing a lot into the last couple? Though with the Tyrion wedding, it is just a lot of inner monologue, so they can do that with a single good scene.
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Old May 7 2013, 09:44 PM   #1481
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lol that's the thread about the books, not the TV show!
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Old May 8 2013, 08:09 PM   #1482
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I have started reading Dunk and Egg.

The stories make me like the Targs a bit more. Up until I started reading them, the only Targ I really cared for was Maester Aemon.

Reading the short stories also make some of the references in ASOIAF make more sense.
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Old May 8 2013, 08:24 PM   #1483
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lol that's the thread about the books, not the TV show!
I'm not sure to which post this comment is addressed. But assuming it is mine, from the OP:

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I thought I'd start a thread to allow those who have read the A Song of Ice and Fire books to have a spoiler-filled discussion without ruining anything for those who don't want to see any spoilers in the threads to discuss each episode. Those who haven't read the books, but who don't mind joining in a spoiler-filled discussion, are of course also welcome to join in, ask questions, etc, but be warned that this will be a thread with MAJOR SPOILERS, so read at your own peril.
I think this thread is about the TV show as they relate to the books.
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Old May 8 2013, 10:07 PM   #1484
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I have started reading Dunk and Egg.

The stories make me like the Targs a bit more. Up until I started reading them, the only Targ I really cared for was Maester Aemon.

Reading the short stories also make some of the references in ASOIAF make more sense.
I love the Dunk and Egg tales. I'm actually re-reading the first one now. It's a fascinating look at a very different Westeros. Once Game of Thrones has finished its run, I wouldn't mind seeing an adaptation of Dunk and Egg. I don't know if the same format would work for them, though; maybe it'd be better if they filmed each story as a ninety-minute TV movie, like the old Sharpe films.
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Old May 8 2013, 10:48 PM   #1485
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I read the Dunk and Egg's a year or two ago. The stories are nothing spectacular, but I like how they give you a glimpse of what things were like when the Targaryens were in power.
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