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Old April 17 2013, 08:19 AM   #46
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Re: STID: The 前ther' Starship / [Spoiler]

That's a big freaking ship!

The shape of it actually reminds me more of the Ambassador class than anything.
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Old April 17 2013, 08:31 AM   #47
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Xaios wrote: View Post
That's a big freaking ship!

The shape of it actually reminds me more of the Ambassador class than anything.
I know, it does doesn't it? Looking at the trailer it looks like she has some kind of retractable weapons arms? I'll have to see her in action before I make a call on that. ...
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Old April 17 2013, 08:40 AM   #48
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Great, third movie in a row with a fugly ber-ship.
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Old April 17 2013, 08:48 AM   #49
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Here's a nice breakdown/analysis of the trailer with plenty of references to the Dreadnought.

http://trekmovie.com/2013/04/16/shot...rical-trailer/
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Old April 17 2013, 10:14 AM   #50
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Re: STID: The 前ther' Starship / [Spoiler]

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In my mind, the Enterprise is 300m long. The new ship is no bigger than the Excelsior. That is all.
You have to ignore an awful lot for that to work...

Add to that the branching corridors around and behind the bridge.

A nice easy explanation for the ship sizes being so different is that there's a different guy running Starfleet in the alternate reality. Prime Trek had Admiral Nogura, NuTrek has Admiral Marcus. Nogura, for whatever reason, wanted frontline ships compacted from the huge Enterprise-D-scaled vessels of the Kelvin era to Voyager-like sizes (hence the 300m 1701-prime), wheras Marcus kept with the enourmous Enterprise-D-ish (and now bigger) scaled ships.
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Old April 17 2013, 10:29 AM   #51
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calamity_si wrote: View Post
Here's a nice breakdown/analysis of the trailer with plenty of references to the Dreadnought.

http://trekmovie.com/2013/04/16/shot...rical-trailer/
That ship is Starfleet's version of the Scimitar, interestingly fanwank. It's even got the obligatory death-cannon...or whatever that was.
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Old April 17 2013, 11:01 AM   #52
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Re: STID: The 前ther' Starship / [Spoiler]

It isn't without inspiration though...

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Dreadnought!

here's some technical info:

The dreadnought was triple-shielded, and two or three times larger than Enterprise. This made it about 1.5 million tons lighter than the later Galaxy-class. Its armament included six photon torpedo banks, five phaser banks of two emitters each, and a number of undisclosed cutting-edge weapons systems.
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Old April 17 2013, 11:25 AM   #53
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Re: STID: The 前ther' Starship / [Spoiler]

Pictures and ship comparisons help.


Abrams ENT is larger than the ENT-E by about 40 meters since the number on the picture is 735 and not the official 725. The height of the ENT-E is 75 meters with memory alpha records Abrams ENT as 190.5 meters height.

While the Dreadnought does look badass. Has anyone else noticed the trend of the last three movies? The Enterprise fights up hill battles against black enemy ships which happen to be several times bigger than it?


Scimitar From NEM. Recorded to have 890 meters length 1350 width


The Narada From 09. With it's absurd length of 5 miles/9,368.7 meters.


And now John Harrison's ship. Which looks to be roughly the size of the Scimitar


Speaking of similarities. Has anyone else noticed that Shinzon, Nero and John Harrison all have a fashion taste in trench coats? While Shinzon's kind of a stylist thing for the Reman military. Does JJ seriously believe black trench coats are the fashion choice of villains in the 23rd century? Haha I jest, I jest.
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Old April 17 2013, 11:37 AM   #54
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AllStarEntprise wrote: View Post
Pictures and ship comparisons help.


Abrams ENT is larger than the ENT-E by about 40 meters since the number on the picture is 735 and not the official 725. The height of the ENT-E is 75 meters with memory alpha records Abrams ENT as 190.5 meters height.

While the Dreadnought does look badass. Has anyone else noticed the trend of the last three movies? The Enterprise fights up hill battles against black enemy ships which happen to be several times bigger than it?


Scimitar From NEM. Recorded to have 890 meters length 1350 width


The Narada From 09. With it's absurd length of 5 miles/9,368.7 meters.


And now John Harrison's ship. Which looks to be roughly the size of the Scimitar


Speaking of similarities. Has anyone else noticed that Shinzon, Nero and John Harrison all have a fashion taste in trench coats? While Shinzon's kind of a stylist thing for the Reman military. Does JJ seriously believe black trench coats are the fashion choice of villains in the 23rd century? Haha I jest, I jest.
Actually, compared to those other brutes, this dreadnought doesn't look too scary....plus we know it gets it's @ss kicked anyway!
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Old April 17 2013, 03:44 PM   #55
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Re: STID: The 前ther' Starship / [Spoiler]

I just noticed from the trailer...

It seems that Scotty is the first to get aboard the 'Black Ship of Death'...

I'd bet He's probably the one that sends it to it's bay plunge...


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Old April 17 2013, 04:00 PM   #56
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Dukhat wrote: View Post
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Guys! We FINALLY have a decent picture of this new ship! Shes big!
http://www.startrek.com/article/new-...oster-released
That's no starship, that's a concept art painting!

(and if it's not, why would FX look so painterly in a 'realistic' movie?)
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Old April 17 2013, 04:03 PM   #57
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(defying all logic with the new much larger sets including the brewery engineering which is nearly 200 meters long alone and the new hangar which is 3 times the size of the old, not to mention the new much larger portholes and triple decker bridge cap which also has hallways and additional rooms on either side of the much larger bridge )
The actual brewery (Budweiser in Northridge, CA) is not even 200m long. Wide-angle camera lenses typically make small things look big. Besides, it was my impression that JJ's original idea was to make the "lower decks" of the ship look 'rough'. It makes a bit more sense if you imagine ALL of the secondary hull is engineering and the shuttle bay.

Also, the bridge is clearly not under the dome structure in the new ship. It's several decks below, which allows for the corridor access.

In any event, we will agree to disagree. I think it's clear someone (who likely didn't understand how big a "meter" was) screwed up in production with the shuttle bay scene, and everything else has been to justify this fact. Until they state the size of the ship *in the movie*, I'll consider anything else to be non-canon.
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Old April 17 2013, 04:10 PM   #58
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Any guesses as to what kind of 'Super Weapon' the Dreadnought has?

Perhaps some kind of Repulser Beam ??

In effect a way to send something like Nero's mass of missiles back at the aggressor...

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Old April 17 2013, 04:13 PM   #59
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I wonder how much tech Starfleet got from salvaging the Narada's drill from San Francisco Bay.
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Old April 17 2013, 04:14 PM   #60
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Any guesses as to what kind of 'Super Weapon' the Dreadnought has?

Perhaps some kind of Repulser Beam ??

In effect a way to send something like Nero's mass of missiles back at the aggressor...

Way too complicated for a general audience. It is most likely what it appears to be: a big-ass phaser cannon that can take out chunks of the Enterprise.
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