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Old April 17 2013, 04:03 AM   #16
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I would hate for TPTB to feel that Abrams not only raised the bar, but created a single, unalterable templete by which all future Trek's must conform.
That only happens if the next director has no testicles. *cough*Jonathan Frakes*cough*
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Old April 17 2013, 05:33 AM   #17
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The problem is the Abrams-era movies are watered down (all looks, no substance) Trek designed to appeal to mass audiences who aren't traditional Trek fans. Those fans might stick around for two or three films, but eventually their short attentions spans will move on to something shiny and new.

Then what? Reboot again? Cast preteens in the main roles? Have 90 minutes of planets imploding? The reboot was a nice way to make a summer blockbuster, but eventually cheap tricks like that reach a point of diminishing returns. I seriously doubt 30 years from now anybody will look back and remember ST09/STID the way we remember the first six films or even the TNG films.
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Old April 17 2013, 05:37 AM   #18
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The problem is the Abrams-era movies are watered down (all looks, no substance) Trek designed to appeal to mass audiences who aren't traditional Trek fans. Those fans might stick around for two or three films, but eventually their short attentions spans will move on to something shiny and new.

Then what? Reboot again? Cast preteens in the main roles? Have 90 minutes of planets imploding? The reboot was a nice way to make a summer blockbuster, but eventually cheap tricks like that reach a point of diminishing returns. I seriously doubt 30 years from now anybody will look back and remember ST09/STID the way we remember the first six films or even the TNG films.
What's a traditional Trek fan?

I remember a couple of good films, several mediocre ones and couple that were really bad.
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Old April 17 2013, 05:45 AM   #19
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The problem is the Abrams-era movies are watered down (all looks, no substance) Trek designed to appeal to mass audiences who aren't traditional Trek fans. Those fans might stick around for two or three films, but eventually their short attentions spans will move on to something shiny and new.

Then what? Reboot again? Cast preteens in the main roles? Have 90 minutes of planets imploding? The reboot was a nice way to make a summer blockbuster, but eventually cheap tricks like that reach a point of diminishing returns. I seriously doubt 30 years from now anybody will look back and remember ST09/STID the way we remember the first six films or even the TNG films.
What's a traditional Trek fan?

I remember a couple of good films, several mediocre ones and couple that were really bad.
Yes, but even the bad ones held onto what Trek is: a cerebral science fiction series for people who like to think. That sort of thing doesn't translate well from TV to the big screen, but when they got it right, they got it RIGHT. The last movie completely erased that and turned it into an action movie. A very entertaining and beautiful action movie, but it wasn't really Trek.
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Old April 17 2013, 05:54 AM   #20
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The problem is the Abrams-era movies are watered down (all looks, no substance) Trek designed to appeal to mass audiences who aren't traditional Trek fans. Those fans might stick around for two or three films, but eventually their short attentions spans will move on to something shiny and new.

Then what? Reboot again? Cast preteens in the main roles? Have 90 minutes of planets imploding? The reboot was a nice way to make a summer blockbuster, but eventually cheap tricks like that reach a point of diminishing returns. I seriously doubt 30 years from now anybody will look back and remember ST09/STID the way we remember the first six films or even the TNG films.
What's a traditional Trek fan?

I remember a couple of good films, several mediocre ones and couple that were really bad.
Yes, but even the bad ones held onto what Trek is: a cerebral science fiction series for people who like to think. That sort of thing doesn't translate well from TV to the big screen, but when they got it right, they got it RIGHT. The last movie completely erased that and turned it into an action movie. A very entertaining and beautiful action movie, but it wasn't really Trek.
Surely you're not serious. Even the good films weren't that.

Star Trek was an action-adventure TV show. That's why they had stuff blow up, fights in most episodes and a whole lot of shaking going on. The new film followed that well established pattern, while mixing in some nice character moments.
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Old April 17 2013, 06:06 AM   #21
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Surely you're not serious. Even the good films weren't that.

Star Trek was an action-adventure TV show. That's why they had stuff blow up, fights in most episodes and a whole lot of shaking going on. The new film followed that well established pattern, while mixing in some nice character moments.[/QUOTE]

Are we watching the same show? Sure all the ST series and films had their share of explosions and shaking, but they never sacrificed substance for style.
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Old April 17 2013, 06:14 AM   #22
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Re: Is J.J. Abams "Star Trek" Sustainable?

Here we go again.

Delusion is not just a river in Egypt, you know.
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Old April 17 2013, 06:26 AM   #23
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Are we watching the same show? Sure all the ST series and films had their share of explosions and shaking, but they never sacrificed substance for style.
Depth is a subjective matter. Into Darkness projects something actually deep for all the in-your-face explosions and SFX.

We are being presented the idea of a darker side of the Federation, and this is critical, at this point in time, early in the timeline. People speculated about repercussions of the destruction of Vulcan, and here it is. They ramp up weapons R&D and build up because of fear.

This plays well into the positivism aspect of ST. Is starfleet ready to embrace the darkness? Or are they going to see light at the end of the tunnel. That I think is the central conflict of the film. Saying that it isn't deep,doesn't mean it isn't. People just need to focus and not see just the aesthetic.
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Old April 17 2013, 06:29 AM   #24
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there were some great ST sci fi TV episodes. STTMP was also more sci-fi oriented, but other than that, Wagon Train to the Stars
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Old April 17 2013, 06:37 AM   #25
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Are we watching the same show? Sure all the ST series and films had their share of explosions and shaking, but they never sacrificed substance for style.
Depth is a subjective matter. Into Darkness projects something actually deep for all the in-your-face explosions and SFX.

We are being presented the idea of a darker side of the Federation, and this is critical, at this point in time, early in the timeline. People speculated about repercussions of the destruction of Vulcan, and here it is. They ramp up weapons R&D and build up because of fear.

This plays well into the positivism aspect of ST. Is starfleet ready to embrace the darkness? Or are they going to see light at the end of the tunnel. That I think is the central conflict of the film. Saying that it isn't deep,doesn't mean it isn't. People just need to focus and not see just the aesthetic.
I'm not going to pass judgment on it until I see it. As much as I tried to hate ST09, I was actually quite entertained by it. And from what I've seen of the previews it looks like it will be pretty good.

But I hold to my answer to the original question... is it sustainable? They were successful with the last film at attracting a big-summer-blockbuster kind of audience at a time when less and less people are going to the movies. I just don't believe that audience is going to stick around for more than a couple films.
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Here we go again.

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Neither is denial.
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Old April 17 2013, 08:48 AM   #27
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Here we go again.

Delusion is not just a river in Egypt, you know.
Neither is denial.
Or humor.

Not many rivers in Egypt, actually. It's mostly desert, right?
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Old April 17 2013, 09:29 AM   #28
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Are we watching the same show? Sure all the ST series and films had their share of explosions and shaking, but they never sacrificed substance for style.
Depth is a subjective matter. Into Darkness projects something actually deep for all the in-your-face explosions and SFX.

We are being presented the idea of a darker side of the Federation, and this is critical, at this point in time, early in the timeline. People speculated about repercussions of the destruction of Vulcan, and here it is. They ramp up weapons R&D and build up because of fear.

This plays well into the positivism aspect of ST. Is starfleet ready to embrace the darkness? Or are they going to see light at the end of the tunnel. That I think is the central conflict of the film. Saying that it isn't deep,doesn't mean it isn't. People just need to focus and not see just the aesthetic.
I'm not going to pass judgment on it until I see it. As much as I tried to hate ST09, I was actually quite entertained by it. And from what I've seen of the previews it looks like it will be pretty good.

But I hold to my answer to the original question... is it sustainable? They were successful with the last film at attracting a big-summer-blockbuster kind of audience at a time when less and less people are going to the movies. I just don't believe that audience is going to stick around for more than a couple films.
well, if they don't, I'd be happy to hear the thwack of the door hitting them on their asses and sit MINE down for a nice teevee series

you see, Trek will always be sustainable. In one form or another.
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Old April 17 2013, 11:45 AM   #29
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Well with JJ walking away from Trek for Star Wars the next movie's future is kind og up in the air at the moment. Sure Paramount will hire a new director and executive producer but they will be stewarding over JJ's franchise. Keeping the pace up after what I expect STID to be melt facingly awesome will be tough. TPTB may ask the next team to take the franchise in a different direction. Shudder disappointing threequel nightmares
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Well with JJ walking away from Trek for Star Wars the next movie's future is kind og up in the air at the moment. Sure Paramount will hire a new director and executive producer

Even if Abrams can't direct, Bad Robot & him as a producer are not going away for the 3rd movie.
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