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Old April 17 2013, 01:10 AM   #31
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Even at its smallest, this new ship is nearly the length of the space station Deep Space 9 (1452 meters), and falls a little short of the Argus Array (2400 meters).
In my mind, the Enterprise is 300m long. The new ship is no bigger than the Excelsior. That is all.
The Abramsprise is 725 meters and that is coming from ILM ... that is a kind of BS given that it was designed to be something over 3000 ft long according to John Eaves. Either way, that ship is at least 2.5 times the size of Enterprise true.
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Old April 17 2013, 02:56 AM   #32
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According to Encounter the Enterprise, the height of the Enterprise is 625.5 feet (190.5 meters). If we double the height of this Dreadnought, it would be 381 meters high, or the same height as the Empire State Building.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_State_Building
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Old April 17 2013, 04:18 AM   #33
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The Abramsprise is 725 meters and that is coming from ILM ... that is a kind of BS given that it was designed to be something over 3000 ft long according to John Eaves. Either way, that ship is at least 2.5 times the size of Enterprise true.
The new Enterprise model kit from Revell is listed as 1:500 scale. Assuming it's about 24" in size, that makes the "actual" length about 1000 ft. Not sure how "canon" that is, but it's much more in-line with the original size.

I think at some point or another, ILM has to come clean and admit they screwed up.

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According to Encounter the Enterprise, the height of the Enterprise is 625.5 feet (190.5 meters). If we double the height of this Dreadnought, it would be 381 meters high, or the same height as the Empire State Building.
When you put it that way, it sounds pretty ridiculous, doesn't it.
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Old April 17 2013, 04:20 AM   #34
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I know. I think this new ship has an uncharacteristically cool recessed navigational deflector. If you freeze the movie on the Trekmovie link I provided just as she flattens the 'Alcatraz' house, you'll see a very quick flash of it. It seems to be built into the neck, just above two angled 'nubbins' on the underside. Possibly weapons pods... Have a look and post your own doodle!
Clearly it turns yellow (powered down after the crash?) cos Harrison jumps from the ship and shoots that guy in the trailer.
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Old April 17 2013, 04:28 AM   #35
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Shouldn't we just be calling this ship Reliant?
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Old April 17 2013, 05:24 AM   #36
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The Abramsprise is 725 meters and that is coming from ILM ... that is a kind of BS given that it was designed to be something over 3000 ft long according to John Eaves. Either way, that ship is at least 2.5 times the size of Enterprise true.
The new Enterprise model kit from Revell is listed as 1:500 scale. Assuming it's about 24" in size, that makes the "actual" length about 1000 ft. Not sure how "canon" that is, but it's much more in-line with the original size.

I think at some point or another, ILM has to come clean and admit they screwed up.
This was production's screwup, not ILM's -- and believe me I am no apologist for that company. When I was doing an article about the Abrams09, ILM -- for the first time in nearly 20 years of dealing with them -- completely flaked on getting me on the phone with the VFX supes, and when I called their main PR guy on his doublespeak and disingenuous dismissals concerning what Kerner Optical did on the show, and questioned him on the endless procrastination that led to the article going stillborn, I was told to never contact their PR dept again. (I still write articles that include ILM interview participation, but only arranged via studios employing them, never direct to PR.)

Back on topic: Look at the size of the hangar (or better still, find old threads with pics that discuss this in overwhelming detail.) That weird jungle gym of metal the shuttles fly into is ridiculously huge, and nowhere near in scale to what we see in TOS or TFF or even, briefly, in TMP. The Revell number sounds like wishful thinking, because 1000 ft is what the thing OUGHT to be.
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Old April 17 2013, 05:37 AM   #37
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One challenge was to sell the weight and scale of the ships that ranged from a 30 foot shuttle to the new Enterprise at 2,357 feet long, to the nemesis ship, the Narada, five miles long.
(http://www.cgsociety.org/index.php/C...cial/star_trek)

ILM recognized the challenge of fitting those shuttles into the starship. However, when reading the article at Memory Alpha about the Enterprise, it is clear to me that ILM couldn't settle on a final number.

I think what is evident to me is that the new Enterprise is a significantly larger ship than her prime universe counterpart.
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Old April 17 2013, 05:56 AM   #38
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No for those few who still cant accept the new official giant sized E.
The final number has been established and is called out in the 2009 blu-ray
The memory alpha article calls on that nut wad running star ship ex astris who blew a gasket at the new giant sized enterprise and went off on some weird tangents To why it had to be the same size as the original (defying all logic with the new much larger sets including the brewery engineering which is nearly 200 meters long alone and the new hangar which is 3 times the size of the old, not to mention the new much larger portholes and triple decker bridge cap which also has hallways and additional rooms on either side of the much larger bridge )

The original new canon size was to be 1100 meters which actually fits all the sets best and most logically (ask our own king Daniel)
The final and official canon size is 730ish meters

I don't know why people get so upset over this and go into the realm of the non sensical to try to disprove the official size. It is in fact- Paramount - bad robot - ILM official 730 meters, get over it , it's bigger than the Next Gennie ships
And Dreadnaughtprise is bigger than an Imperial Star Destroyer which I think is cool, FU Star Wars
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Old April 17 2013, 06:11 AM   #39
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Shouldn't we just be calling this ship Reliant?
has anyone mentioned that old Paul Weller interview in which he says he "has his own ship"

this must be his ship, not Harrison's, at least to begin with.
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Old April 17 2013, 06:23 AM   #40
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I would like to talk about the speed of this ship. According to the web site TrekMovie, this new ship is said to have three times the speed of the Enterprise. Now, before the first movie premiered, I learned from the official film dossier that the Enterprise had a maximum warp speed of 8.

So, if the Enterprise has a maximum warp speed of 8, and the Dreadnought can go three times faster, than what is the warp speed of this ship? Does this mean this ship can go to warp 24? Or am I doing the math wrong?

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Old April 17 2013, 06:32 AM   #41
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Guys! We FINALLY have a decent picture of this new ship! Shes big!
http://www.startrek.com/article/new-...oster-released
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Old April 17 2013, 06:40 AM   #42
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Re: STID: The 前ther' Starship / [Spoiler]

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So, if the Enterprise has a maximum warp speed of 8, and the Dreadnought can go three times faster, than what is the warp speed of this ship? Does this mean this ship can go to warp 24? Or am I doing the math wrong?
Warp Factors aren't a linear progression, so I wouldn't think it'd be warp 24.
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Old April 17 2013, 07:07 AM   #43
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I didn't think so. Then, if it isn't that, what does it mean for a ship to be three times faster than another ship?
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Old April 17 2013, 07:35 AM   #44
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Guys! We FINALLY have a decent picture of this new ship! Shes big!
http://www.startrek.com/article/new-...oster-released
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Old April 17 2013, 08:11 AM   #45
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Not impressed Dukhat?
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