RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,745
Posts: 5,433,129
Members: 24,838
Currently online: 376
Newest member: Mei'konda

TrekToday headlines

Episode Four of The Red Shirt Diaries
By: T'Bonz on Sep 22

Star Trek: The Compendium Review
By: T'Bonz on Sep 22

Orci Drops Rangers Project
By: T'Bonz on Sep 22

Retro Review: Image in the Sand
By: Michelle on Sep 20

Star Trek: Shadows Of Tyranny Casting Call
By: T'Bonz on Sep 19

USS Vengeance And More Starship Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Sep 19

Trek 3 To Being Shooting Next Year
By: T'Bonz on Sep 19

Trek Messenger Bag
By: T'Bonz on Sep 18

Star Trek Live In Concert In Australia
By: T'Bonz on Sep 18

IDW Publishing December Trek Comics
By: T'Bonz on Sep 17


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek TV Series > The Next Generation

The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old April 14 2013, 08:13 PM   #421
mswood
Rear Admiral
 
mswood's Avatar
 
Location: 9th level of Hell
Re: Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

FrontierTrek wrote: View Post
RAMA wrote: View Post
Anticipation is very high at this point..the sheer thought I might get to see these fantastic episodes in HD is making me giddy
I haven't received the full set for review yet, but the material I've seen so far is indescribably beautiful. I'm gonna have a hard time coming up with fresh adjectives to represent the quality I'm seeing from CBS Digital.
Yeah, the first trailer was pretty good fx wise, but had some questionable colors for the live action. But the later trailers (that included some of the same footage) were spectacular.

Sucks that this will be the first one I can't get a bit early, and in fact wont beable to purchase for at least a month after its release (stupid medical bills). I will be jealous at each and everyone who gets to watch it....
__________________
My fandom will SALT and BURN your fandom!
mswood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 14 2013, 08:13 PM   #422
FrontierTrek
Fleet Captain
 
FrontierTrek's Avatar
 
Location: TrekCore.com
View FrontierTrek's Twitter Profile
Re: Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

mswood wrote: View Post
The only problem with this (and not a dig at your site, which I LOVE), is that you weren't critical on the work of season two until a bit after its release. You often posted about how people were rushing their complaints.

I am someone who isn't going to assume the new company is doing a poor job, but I also won't believe they are doing a good job also until we see footage to judge for ourselves.
Hmm, I take issue with that. Our full review (which was published almost two weeks before release) was very balanced and highlighted my criticisms of Season Two clearly.
__________________
www.TrekCore.com :: The Net's LARGEST Trek Multimedia Site
Over 450,000 Trek DVD & Blu-Ray Caps from EVERY episode/movie!
FrontierTrek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 14 2013, 10:39 PM   #423
BillJ
Admiral
 
BillJ's Avatar
 
Location: Covington, Ky.
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

Aatrek wrote: View Post
BillJ wrote: View Post
I no longer feel like there's Vaseline smeared on the camera lens when watching season two. That alone made it worth the purchase.
Many of those "Vaseline" scenes were caused by some of the widescreen pan-and-scan conversion shots, which we covered this week over at TrekCore:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/04/tng...or-widescreen/
I don't really care for the technical reasoning, I just found it a real chore to watch TNG as the VHS/DVD's looked like ass especially on an HD set.
__________________
"I tell you what you all need, you need to take a thirteenth step, down off your high horse." - Hank Hill, King of the Hill
BillJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 14 2013, 11:28 PM   #424
davejames
Vice Admiral
 
Location: Sac, Ca
Re: Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

Well to be fair to HTV, when you look at the before and after you see that they DID do a very faithful recreation of the original shots.

Unfortunately those shots just don't look nearly as cool as the feature-quality work CBS-D did.
davejames is online now   Reply With Quote
Old April 14 2013, 11:38 PM   #425
BillJ
Admiral
 
BillJ's Avatar
 
Location: Covington, Ky.
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

davejames wrote: View Post
Well to be fair to HTV, when you look at the before and after you see that they DID do a very faithful recreation of the original shots.

Unfortunately those shots just don't look nearly as cool as the feature-quality work CBS-D did.
They made some mistakes but overall I feel I got my money's worth buying the season two set.
__________________
"I tell you what you all need, you need to take a thirteenth step, down off your high horse." - Hank Hill, King of the Hill
BillJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 15 2013, 12:25 AM   #426
mswood
Rear Admiral
 
mswood's Avatar
 
Location: 9th level of Hell
Re: Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

FrontierTrek wrote: View Post
mswood wrote: View Post
The only problem with this (and not a dig at your site, which I LOVE), is that you weren't critical on the work of season two until a bit after its release. You often posted about how people were rushing their complaints.

I am someone who isn't going to assume the new company is doing a poor job, but I also won't believe they are doing a good job also until we see footage to judge for ourselves.
Hmm, I take issue with that. Our full review (which was published almost two weeks before release) was very balanced and highlighted my criticisms of Season Two clearly.
SOrry I wasn't clear. I wasn't talking about your review (which I read after the release), but the posts you made when posters talked about the press release materials and the flaws that were easily noticed in them versus material from the previous set, and their press release materials.

I also must be confused about which poster was arguing with me, on my comments on the copy I got early from work. Which would have been at the time you were reviewing the release.

Several posts talk about not judging the press release materials, and that you expected the material to be top notch (even at the same time stating how you wish CBS digital was doing all season. THough in all fairness, I don't see anything of you praising the FX you saw, just stating that it should be good, and not to judge the press materials.
__________________
My fandom will SALT and BURN your fandom!
mswood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 15 2013, 05:46 PM   #427
Savage Dragon
TheSeeker
 
Savage Dragon's Avatar
 
Location: New York, NY
Re: Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

Aatrek wrote: View Post
BillJ wrote: View Post
I no longer feel like there's Vaseline smeared on the camera lens when watching season two. That alone made it worth the purchase.
Many of those "Vaseline" scenes were caused by some of the widescreen pan-and-scan conversion shots, which we covered this week over at TrekCore:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/04/tng...or-widescreen/
Nice article. Thanks for the link!
Savage Dragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 15 2013, 07:52 PM   #428
RAMA
Vice Admiral
 
RAMA's Avatar
 
Location: NJ, USA
Re: Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

FrontierTrek wrote: View Post
RAMA wrote: View Post
Anticipation is very high at this point..the sheer thought I might get to see these fantastic episodes in HD is making me giddy
I haven't received the full set for review yet, but the material I've seen so far is indescribably beautiful. I'm gonna have a hard time coming up with fresh adjectives to represent the quality I'm seeing from CBS Digital.
More caps!!
__________________
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Carl Sagan
RAMA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 15 2013, 09:59 PM   #429
Dream
Admiral
 
Dream's Avatar
 
Re: Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

davejames wrote: View Post
Well to be fair to HTV, when you look at the before and after you see that they DID do a very faithful recreation of the original shots.
But no one wants "faithful recreation of the original shots".
They want the effects to look modern.
Dream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 15 2013, 10:35 PM   #430
Borjis
Commodore
 
Borjis's Avatar
 
Re: Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

Dream wrote: View Post

But no one wants "faithful recreation of the original shots".
They want the effects to look modern.
I wouldn't go so far as to say "no one." A lot of us do, but also enjoy the way CBS-D did it. More detail, more contrast. If that's what you call "modern."
Borjis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 15 2013, 10:54 PM   #431
jimbotron
Fleet Captain
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
Re: Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

Dream wrote: View Post
davejames wrote: View Post
Well to be fair to HTV, when you look at the before and after you see that they DID do a very faithful recreation of the original shots.
But no one wants "faithful recreation of the original shots".
They want the effects to look modern.
I would say that HTV was faithful in that it looks like 1980s compositing work in HD. They did not improve upon the original techniques, nor did they try. Effects were blurry, light passes were misaligned, overall lighting was poor and fake-looking, and matte lines were visible. The only improvement HTV made was making the effects 1080p from 480i. In some ways, HTV's work was worse than the original effects work in 1988.

CBS-D was faithful, but brought the techniques into the 2010s. What they pulled off looks as if it was shot today.

HTV used "faithful representation" as a crutch. CBS-D used it as a challenge.
jimbotron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 15 2013, 11:40 PM   #432
Flake
Commodore
 
Location: Manchester, UK
Re: Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

And for some reason HTV made the grain disappear every time there was any VFX in shot and failed to notice!
Flake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 15 2013, 11:49 PM   #433
Savage Dragon
TheSeeker
 
Savage Dragon's Avatar
 
Location: New York, NY
Re: Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

They probably didn't want to try to match the grain.
Savage Dragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 17 2013, 05:34 AM   #434
Scotty
Rear Admiral
 
Scotty's Avatar
 
Location: The Netherlands, Les Pays Bas, Holland
Re: Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

Dream wrote: View Post
davejames wrote: View Post
Well to be fair to HTV, when you look at the before and after you see that they DID do a very faithful recreation of the original shots.
But no one wants "faithful recreation of the original shots".
They want the effects to look modern.
In the season 2 VAM, Dan Curry says more than once that his intention was to be faithful to the original work, not to modernize the effects.
__________________
"No bla bla bla!" - Captain James T. Kirk
Scotty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 17 2013, 11:53 AM   #435
Tosk
Rear Admiral
 
Tosk's Avatar
 
Location: On the run.
Re: Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

Of course, they weren't particularly faithful in a lot of places, so I don't know how much of an excuse that is. Not only were a lot of shots lackluster, there were many that were distinctly worse than the original. Image quality is higher, of course...but who let all those horizontally distorted Enterprise shots through?
Tosk is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
remastered

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:37 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.