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Old April 15 2013, 07:28 AM   #61
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Re: Bieber hopes Anne Frank would have been a fan

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I'm going to start claiming that not only would Ann Frank love my work, but so would Hitler.
And that would probably put them on a few of the same mailing lists.
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Old April 15 2013, 10:36 AM   #62
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Old April 15 2013, 11:44 AM   #63
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I see no malice at all in his statement.
I see no malice either. I see an incredibly immature and self absorbed young man.
I don't see where he's supposed to be self absorbed. It's a fact that there are millions of average, everyday, teenage girls who adore Justin Bieber. So he wants to think that maybe she would have been a fan had the circumstances of her life been different. There's nothing wrong with that.

As for immature, he's 19 years old, and a celebrity. Quite frankly, considering the circumstances, his response is rather reserved.
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I don't see where he's supposed to be self absorbed. It's a fact that there are millions of average, everyday, teenage girls who adore Justin Bieber. So he wants to think that maybe she would have been a fan had the circumstances of her life been different. There's nothing wrong with that.
Had the circumstances of Anne Frank's life been different, she would not have been Anne Frank. That's the whole point, as I'm sure you'd agree. The very point of the Anne Frank story is that she was a perfectly normal young girl living in a completely abnormal era, and trivializing it by saying that she would have potentially been a Justin Bieber fan had she not been a victim of the Holocaust is missing the point to such a spectacular degree that it's just one piece of evidence to show that Justin Bieber is a very idiotic young man, no matter what kind of life he has lived.
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I don't see where he's supposed to be self absorbed. It's a fact that there are millions of average, everyday, teenage girls who adore Justin Bieber. So he wants to think that maybe she would have been a fan had the circumstances of her life been different. There's nothing wrong with that.
Had the circumstances of Anne Frank's life been different, she would not have been Anne Frank. That's the whole point, as I'm sure you'd agree. The very point of the Anne Frank story is that she was a perfectly normal young girl living in a completely abnormal era, and trivializing it by saying that she would have potentially been a Justin Bieber fan had she not been a victim of the Holocaust is missing the point to such a spectacular degree that it's just one piece of evidence to show that Justin Bieber is a very idiotic young man, no matter what kind of life he has lived.
I guess I don't see what he said as anything approaching bad. Sure, it's a bit out of place, but otherwise harmless. To me it's a lot of sturm and drang, signifying nothing.
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I guess I don't see what he said as anything approaching bad. Sure, it's a bit out of place, but otherwise harmless. To me it's a lot of sturm and drang, signifying nothing.
Again, Justin Bieber has millions of fans, and in more than one occasion, said fans have issued death threats for trivial reasons, so whatever he is saying can't just be dismissed as mere pablum or innocuous noise. This young man has a lot of influence on many young people, and considering how immensely moronic and uneducated he is, I don't think it's unfair to keep a close eye on him and hold him to some kind of minimal standard of public decency.
In all fairness, he's had death threats issued against him by people with a severely irrational hatred for the kid. Yeah, he has some issues he really needs to resolve, but on the whole, he's a decent person. He's a 19 year old pop singer who has lots of teenage fans. You want to monitor a current celebrity? Go monitor someone like, say, Chris Brown. He's done far more terrible things than want a historical figure to be a fan of his music.

Plus, if he doesn't adhere to your standards of public decency, what are you going to do? Spank him?
This whole incident reminds me of a set of artwork somebody did about Frank and her sister, and how the public overmytholgizes her in the same way that Trekfans over-mythologize Gene Roddenberry (the second picture in particular) :

http://www.imagebam.com/image/04cfc2248981227 [creepy and tasteless image changed to link by mod. NSFW]



J. Allen is right; how do the people howling after Bieber`s blood know that Frank wouldn`t have been a fan of Bieber if she`d been able to live a normal life free of the whims and policies of an anti-Semite dictator? They don`t; they just don`t like Bieber or the fact that Bieber`s more popular than musicians that they like. As for Chris Brown, it seems that society is playing the `black people get it harder than white people` game yet again-Elvis `The King`Presley used to beat up his girlfriends (and dated a girl younger than him), John Lennon acted like a dick towards his first wife, Cynthia (and towards his first son, Julian), yet Chris Brown (as well as other prominent Afro-American males like Michael Vick and even earlier, Ike Turner) is made to suffer more than they did even though he made restitution for what he did to Rhianna.

As for Bieber himself; although I don`t hate the young man and don`t wish him death (he didn`t do anything except become popular) I can understand why people hate him (and by extension, his record company) so much: he`s being pushed all over the media landscape and he and his fellow pop stars are getting more popularity than artists and groups that should be getting said popularity and attention as much as Bieber and his fellow pop stars should (there`s been rumblings about having a massive `Pop Demolition Night` similar to the old Disco Demolition Night that just might happen again-I hope not, but stranger things have happened) and people are just plain tired of all of this (also, this emphasis on pop and nothing else but pop is what`s probably behind slumping record sales as well and the death of EMI). The Big Three (Sony Music, Warner Music Group, Universal Music Group) need to get their collective act together and start emphasizing artists and groups like Regina Spektor, Priscilla Ahn, Arcade Fire, and a lot of other new bands & artists that aren`t pop (and yes, they do exist!) Already, some parents are prohibiting their kids from listening to many pop artists, counterprogramming their music players with Regina Spektor, Janelle Monae, P.J. Harvey, and other artists that they think are great.

As well, people like Mirrorball Man need to just like what they like and not be so threatened by Justin Bieber`s popularity to be reacting to public statements like these. Here`s some pointers to great new music that isn`t pop:

Exclaim!

Spinner

New Musical Express

Paste Magazine

NOW Magazine

Grooveshark (click on the sections marked Indie Rock, Rock, and Electronica

Doing all of this on your part (Mirrorball Man) will be a lot better for you than engaging in a daily Two Minutes Hate session against a pop artist simply because they`re more popular than you`d like them to be.

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Old April 15 2013, 01:10 PM   #64
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Other random historical figures Justine hopes would have been fans.

Julius Caesar.
Bullshit. Everybody knows that Iulius would have been Rebecca Black fan.
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Old April 15 2013, 01:13 PM   #65
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Doing all of this on your part (Mirrorball Man) will be a lot better for you than engaging in a daily Two Minutes Hate session against a pop artist simply because they`re more popular than you`d like them to be.
I love your backwards apostrophes, they are just like so cool.
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Old April 15 2013, 01:30 PM   #66
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Doing all of this on your part (Mirrorball Man) will be a lot better for you than engaging in a daily Two Minutes Hate session against a pop artist simply because they`re more popular than you`d like them to be.
Thank you for your help, Shaka Zulu. I'm sure it's well-meant.

I think I have a very healthy relationship with music, however, and I have to admit that I'm a bit puzzled to find out that for some reason, you think that I hate Justin Bieber. I don't.

Really, I don't think I've said anything along those lines, nor have I said anything that could lead you to think that I find him more popular than he deserves. The only claims I've made is that he is immensely popular (which he is), which means that whatever he says has quite a lot of impact (which it does). I also claimed that he was "spectacularly dim-witted", and though I'll admit that it's open for debate, I'm reasonably sure that I could make a convincing case for it.

That's all I've said: Justin Bieber is famous, and he is stupid, and that's an explosive combination. I haven't said or implied anything about his music or my personal tastes. So, thanks again for chiming in, but I guess it would have been more interesting had you tried to talk to me, rather than to the preconceived image you have of some people who kinda sound like me.
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Old April 15 2013, 01:31 PM   #67
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Who are the people Bieber hopes DOESN'T like his Music?
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Old April 15 2013, 01:31 PM   #68
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Doing all of this on your part (Mirrorball Man) will be a lot better for you than engaging in a daily Two Minutes Hate session against a pop artist simply because they`re more popular than you`d like them to be.



Damn.. this is getting really entertaining. Dumb kid does a dumb thing and the internet goes nuts
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Old April 15 2013, 01:34 PM   #69
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Who are the people Bieber hopes DOESN'T like his Music?
Pedophiles.
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Old April 15 2013, 04:53 PM   #70
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I'm afraid this boy has a very rude reality check coming to him in a few years. It is only a matter of time before he is replaced by someone younger and "cuter". When that happens I think I will actually feel a little sorry for him. I'm not convinced he has any sort of real world coping skills, and I'm afraid I believe that even his high school "education" is a joke.

I mean, this kid did not know what a German was a few years ago! He had literally never heard the word before! Yes, I know the media made a big deal about him graduating...but what quality of education did the continuously recording, touring, performing money making machine really receive?

Yes, I think I will feel a little bad for him when this does all come crashing down around him. I hope for his sake someone has invested his money for him wisely...I don't know what he will be able to do if he lost it all to unscrupulous yes-men.

Actually, Bieber is about to make a dubstep album with Skrillex, and is something of a decent musician to boot, so he won`t be going away any time soon (most likely, he`ll be using his musician skills in one form or the other in his life.) He can always join a band, become a session man, open up a club, or become a club DJ like Boy George has become. Assuming what you`ve assumed is just as shortsighted as assuming that there would be no career for Frank Sinatra eventually, when in fact, there was a career for Sinatra after his 1940`s pop crooner heyday (and Sinatra didn`t even play an instrument or write a song.)
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Old April 15 2013, 05:11 PM   #71
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I would so love a Pop Demolition Night.
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Old April 15 2013, 05:52 PM   #72
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I would so love a Pop Demolition Night.
Ain`t gonna happen, period. Radio isn`t the same as it used to be (most stations are owned by one company-Clear Channel or Infinity Broadcasting-in most cities) and many (commercial) stations are nothing but a computer that plays the same list of songs over and over from a computer hard drive. Even if said commercial stations have a live DJ, said DJ is bound to the station`s playlist under pain of dismissal by the station`s boss and owner.

Also, many of the station owner believe in the music being played, so a would-be Steve Dahl (the DJ behind the original Disco Demolition Night) wouldn`t be able to get hired and do what he did-for that matter, the cops would kick the ass of the people present who staged anything like said event now (as they should have back in 1979) due to events like the G20 summit and the Occupy protests.

If you want to change the way things are with radio (the main culprit in all of this) and you`re a US citizen, what you have to do is write to your congressperson and order them to rescind the 1996 Telecommunications Act, and to bring back the original legislation restricting how many stations a company can own in one city, county, town, or state; only then will you get back independent stations that can play music other than pop and that aren`t just a computer with a massive HDD programmed to play the same songs week in and week out. A Pop Demolition Night would be as racist and as hateful of teenagers as the original Disco Demolition Night was hateful towards black people and GLBT people.

Even better, you can do this for young people: Teenage Wasteland (or 'How To Encourage Alternatives To Justin Bieber')
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From what I remember of Anne Frank I think she might have been a Belieber. And I think maybe Justin saw the wall of pop icons she did like and meant that it would have been an honour if she was a fan of his particular pop wave. The whole thing has been blown totally out of proportion but hopefully it will inspire a few Bieber fans to pick up her diary and Anne will continueto live on through them.
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Disco Demolition Night was also hateful to lyrics you can actually understand.
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