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Old April 15 2013, 12:29 AM   #76
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Re: Into Darkness ties to Star Trek XIII?

Nope. Nothing suggests that they look the way they do for any reason other than that ILM designed the ship, and there's no reason in the world to think that the designers for Into Darkness would reference the Excelsior in that way.
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Old April 15 2013, 12:41 AM   #77
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Anyone with two bits to rub together would figure the engines were transwarp.
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Old April 15 2013, 12:49 AM   #78
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So you're admitting that you got nothing. Fanon means nothing.

It ain't Excelsior.
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Old April 15 2013, 01:22 AM   #79
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Anyone with two bits to rub together would figure the engines were transwarp.
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Nope.
I rest my case.
Knock it off, WarpFactorZ. If you have a point to make, you ought to be able to do it without getting personal.
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Old April 15 2013, 01:29 AM   #80
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Anyone with two bits to rub together would figure the engines were transwarp.
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Nope.
I rest my case.
Knock it off, WarpFactorZ. If you have a point to make, you ought to be able to do it without getting personal.
Sorry, but Legion contributes little to most of these threads, other than passive-aggressive negativity against posters. If you're going to admonish me, you should do it to him too. Just because he doesn't outright say something, doesn't mean it isn't implied. Be fair.
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Old April 15 2013, 02:19 AM   #81
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Re: Into Darkness ties to Star Trek XIII?

IIRC, all of the Excelsior-class ships we have ever seen in Trek have had the same nacelle design, at least in terms of outward appearance. Yet they are obviously not transwarp.
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Old April 15 2013, 02:35 AM   #82
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IIRC, all of the Excelsior-class ships we have ever seen in Trek have had the same nacelle design, at least in terms of outward appearance. Yet they are obviously not transwarp.
Because it was the same model. And the only Excelsior-class vessels we've seen (aside from 1701-B) were in the 24th century, when all ships were transwarp (or at least 100 years advanced in tech, whatever you wish to call it).

So, this really says nothing about Excelsior's capabilities (or moreover, lack thereof).

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Old April 15 2013, 03:25 AM   #83
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IIRC, all of the Excelsior-class ships we have ever seen in Trek have had the same nacelle design, at least in terms of outward appearance. Yet they are obviously not transwarp.
I'm sure there's a fanon explanation for that, too.
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Old April 15 2013, 03:30 AM   #84
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Re: Into Darkness ties to Star Trek XIII?

From what I recall, the Excelsior sports a variation on the rectangular nacelles seen on the movie ships. The 09 Enterprise had nacelles that look the TOS nacelles on steroids. Nothing about them says Excelsior or transwarp to me.
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Old April 15 2013, 03:36 AM   #85
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Yeah, there's nothing special about the nacelles on Excelsior. ILM designed several new Starfleet ships for ST III, and they simply varied the look of the components for the sake of variety itself. Grissom has nacelles that don't look like Enterprise's, Excelsior has nacelles that don't look like Enterprise...it all means nothing. And no one at Bad Robot is paying attention to the old visual continuity to the degree necessary for people to read grainy silhouettes of ships for "clues."

Fans make up explanations and continuity for these things, and then seem to expect the filmmakers to adhere to it. Nonsense.
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Old April 15 2013, 04:01 AM   #86
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From a visual standpoint, 09 took most of its cues from TOS. A statement that will cause no amount of headspinning in some circles.
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Old April 15 2013, 04:13 AM   #87
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From a visual standpoint, 09 took most of its cues from TOS. A statement that will cause no amount of headspinning in some circles.
Of course it did. It was a "remake" (reboot, whatever you want to call it) of TOS the series. There's no reason it should have adopted anything from the movies.

Legion somehow figured that people were arguing the "mystery" ship is the Excelsior, and mistook a discussion about STIII for a discussion about this film. He keeps beating that horse, even though no one else is.
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Old April 15 2013, 04:16 AM   #88
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From a visual standpoint, 09 took most of its cues from TOS. A statement that will cause no amount of headspinning in some circles.
Yep. These folks haven't shown much interest in the movies - well, except maybe for TWOK.
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Old April 15 2013, 04:54 AM   #89
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Knock it off, WarpFactorZ. If you have a point to make, you ought to be able to do it without getting personal.
Sorry, but Legion contributes little to most of these threads, other than passive-aggressive negativity against posters. If you're going to admonish me, you should do it to him too. Just because he doesn't outright say something, doesn't mean it isn't implied. Be fair.
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Legion somehow figured that people were arguing the "mystery" ship is the Excelsior, and mistook a discussion about STIII for a discussion about this film. He keeps beating that horse, even though no one else is.
The one I see here still beating a horse is you.

If you have anything further to say concerning Legion or the moderation of this forum, I strongly suggest you say it via PM, or use the Notify Moderator button to register a complaint or point out a rule violation. In here, that discussion is finished; please drop it now and stop disrupting the thread.
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Old April 15 2013, 01:05 PM   #90
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No, there's nothing special about the nacelles on Excelsior except in fanon.
Nonsense. The Excelsior was designed as an experimental transwarp vessel. So by inference, the nacelles -- unlike anything we'd seen before -- must have been for transwarp purposes.

What *is* fanon is the association of the failure of transwarp technology with Scotty's sabotage. There's no reason the technology shouldn't have succeeded, based on what was seen in STIII.
No reason, at all? On the contrary, Scotty's quip, "And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon," is a clear indication that he doesn't believe that Excelsior's transwarp drive will work, even under the best of circumstances. Scotty's technical assessments of starship capabilities carry weight in-universe.
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